Author Topic: Can SSPV bishops and priests lift latae sententiae excommunications? (Read 2127 times)

Judas Machabeus · « **on:** August 16, 2011, 07:31:56 PM »

Do SSPV bishops and priests have the power to lift latae sententiae excommunications?

For instance, a woman who procures an abortion incurs excommunication.

Another example is someone who has converted to another religion (e.g., Eastern Orthodoxy) and has returned to the Catholic Church.

Any thoughts on this?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2011, 07:34:24 PM »

Quote from: Judas Machabeus

Do SSPV bishops and priests have the power to lift latae sententiae excommunications?

For instance, a woman who procures an abortion incurs excommunication.

Another example is someone who has converted to another religion (e.g., Eastern Orthodoxy) and has returned to the Catholic Church.

Any thoughts on this?

I believe in an emergency any priest can lift an excommunication.

Sigismund · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2011, 07:49:15 PM »

Without jurisdiction, I would think the person would have to be in danger of death.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2011, 07:51:06 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Without jurisdiction, I would think the person would have to be in danger of death.

If someone is a sede and doesn't recognize the jurisdiction of the hierarchy then there's no alternative.

Sigismund · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2011, 09:23:28 PM »

I suppose that is true. I guess a sede would believe in some sort of supplied jurisdiction due to the absence of regular ordinary jurisdiction, correct?

That seems like a reasonable conclusion given the premise.

Judas Machabeus · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2011, 09:36:50 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

I guess a sede would believe in some sort of supplied jurisdiction due to the absence of regular ordinary jurisdiction, correct?

That is what I am assuming, but I am not sure. I am thinking specifically of someone who converted briefly to one of the Orthodox Churches, regretted it, and returned to the Catholic Church. He was received back using formulae prescribed for lifting the latae sententiae excommunication he incurred. Now I wonder whether, given the premises of the sedevantist position, the excommunication was really lifted or, worse yet, whether it ever can be.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2011, 12:00:59 PM »

The SSPV bishops can do nothing. They refuse to even confirm their young people in Norwood.

I heard what they cannot do straight from the horses mouth.

They are all about ISSUING excommunications, not removing them.

They have abused their made-up authority and the trust of fearful Catholics for years.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2011, 12:38:05 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

The SSPV bishops can do nothing. They refuse to even confirm their young people in Norwood.

I heard what they cannot do straight from the horses mouth.

They are all about ISSUING excommunications, not removing them.

They have abused their made-up authority and the trust of fearful Catholics for years.

Can you elaborate on this, and the history of the SSPV? Im curious.

Sigismund · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2011, 10:13:22 PM »

I'm curious too. Does confirmation require jurisdiction to be valid? I don't think it does.

SJB · « **Reply #9 on:** August 19, 2011, 12:24:18 PM »

Quote from: Judas Machabeus

Do SSPV bishops and priests have the power to lift latae sententiae excommunications?

For instance, a woman who procures an abortion incurs excommunication.

Another example is someone who has converted to another religion (e.g., Eastern Orthodoxy) and has returned to the Catholic Church.

Any thoughts on this?

According to Bouscaren, Abortion is a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the ordinary.

SJB · « **Reply #10 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:59:09 PM »

Quote from: Woywod, Commentary and Summary on New Canon Law

IV. Excommunications Reserved to the Ordinary Are Those of:

7. those who procure abortion, not excepting the mother, if abortion has actually taken place (Canon 2350)