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Offline parentsfortruth

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Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
« on: May 29, 2011, 09:50:00 PM »
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  • Um... what is this about a deacon being allowed to preach from the pulpit while a priest stands by?




    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
    « Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 09:52:52 PM »
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  • I am a little rusty on this stuff, but...

    Preaching the Gospel is one of the powers/duties of a Deacon. They are also allowed to distribute Holy Communion.  When doing either, it is not abnormal for a priest to also be present.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
    « Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 09:28:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    Um... what is this about a deacon being allowed to preach from the pulpit while a priest stands by?






    He's clearly a Freemason.

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    Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
    « Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 02:09:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    I am a little rusty on this stuff, but...

    Preaching the Gospel is one of the powers/duties of a Deacon. They are also allowed to distribute Holy Communion.  When doing either, it is not abnormal for a priest to also be present.


    I seem to recall that the deacons are only allowed to preach in the presence of a bishop, or if there isn't a priest available to preach.

    Would appreciate some input on this. Caminus went back on ignore for his snide unnecessary comment.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
    « Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 02:22:37 PM »
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  • Sooo sensitive.  Can't take a little humor?


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    Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
    « Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 03:13:10 PM »
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  • Matthew,

    Another way to respond is...

    "FWIW, I was joking about the FM thing."
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
    « Reply #6 on: May 31, 2011, 01:56:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    I am a little rusty on this stuff, but...

    Preaching the Gospel is one of the powers/duties of a Deacon. They are also allowed to distribute Holy Communion.  When doing either, it is not abnormal for a priest to also be present.


    I seem to recall that the deacons are only allowed to preach in the presence of a bishop, or if there isn't a priest available to preach.



    That seems to me to be a rather arbitrary requirement. Do you remember where you might have heard this or what the reason for the bishop's presence might have been?

    fwiw, Matthew's understanding is the same as GVs -- giving the sermon being a normal part of a deacon's duties. Reading the Gospel would be included as well.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
    « Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 03:27:24 AM »
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  • The second Council of Vaison (529) declared that a priest might preach in his own parish, but that when he was ill a deacon should read a homily by one of the Fathers of the Church, urging that deacons, being held worthy to read the Gospel were a fortiori worthy of reading a work of human authorship. Actual preaching by a deacon, however, despite the precedent of the deacon Philip, was at all periods rare, and the Arian bishop of Antioch, Leontius, was censured for letting his deacon Aetius preach. (Philostorgias, III, xvii). On the other hand, the greatest preacher of the East Syrian Church, Ephraem Syrus, is said by all the early authorities to have been only a deacon, though a phase in his own writings (Opp. Syr., III, 467, d) throws some doubt upon the fact. But the statement attributed to Hilarius Diaconus, nunc neque diaconi in popolo praedicant (nor do the deacons now preach to the people), undoubtedly represents the ordinary rule, both in the fourth century and later.

    I'm assuming this deacon that preached was transitional, right? I hope so... because as I was researching this myself, I ran across a thread at *shudders* CAF about "permanant deacons and the 'EF'." I wanted to vomit.

    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=196307

    There are "already 'permanant' deacons handing out communion in Chicago at the 'EF' masses."

    Ugh I do NOT like where this is going.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    Can someone corroborate this from Saint Marys please?
    « Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 05:48:36 AM »
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  • parentsfortruth,

    As GV and others have said, deacons are given the power to preach during Mass among other things. Therefore, I am not sure why you are so worried. Your assumption is correct regarding transitional deacons in the SSPX.

    Take a deep breath and don't stress out over such an issue.