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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Can Popes Become Heretics? Marshall interviews St. Bellarmine expert Ryan Grant
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2020, 11:43:58 AM »
Quote from: Plenus Venter on February 09, 2020, 07:40:13 PM
Ladislaus, I am not strong on history. Are you saying there was no Pope during the Great Western Schism?

No, there was a Pope, but during that time the Papacy was not a "principle of unity" of the Church ... as the Church was divided, despite there being a legitimate pope.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Ripperger & Ryan Grant on the state of theology in the Church
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2020, 11:45:43 AM »
Quote from: Geremia on February 10, 2020, 11:33:29 AM
No, theologians have used it.
Ott describes it as:

No, sorry for the confusion.  I know that the NOTE ITSELF exists.  What I meant is that it's application to Fr. Ripperger's proposition sounds made up.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Fr. Ripperger & Ryan Grant on the state of theology in the Church
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2020, 02:28:08 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 10, 2020, 11:45:43 AM
No, sorry for the confusion.  I know that the NOTE ITSELF exists.  What I meant is that it's application to Fr. Ripperger's proposition sounds made up.
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You beat me to it. I was just about to say exactly the same thing.
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I've never heard any theologian, at any time in the history of the Church, assign a time limit to how long the Church can go without a pope. And as I asked above, if such a time limit did exist, what would happen when that time limit was exceeded?
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Re: Can Popes Become Heretics? Marshall interviews St. Bellarmine expert Ryan Grant
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2020, 09:36:24 PM »
Quote from: Geremia on February 10, 2020, 11:28:55 AM
Nothing there explicitly about visibility, though.
No, not explicitly, but I would say that a "Pope" is necessarily "visible"?
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Re: Fr. Ripperger & Ryan Grant on the state of theology in the Church
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2020, 09:43:20 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on February 10, 2020, 02:28:08 PM
I've never heard any theologian, at any time in the history of the Church, assign a time limit to how long the Church can go without a pope.
Does that mean no Catholic theologian can?
Is the proposition "The Church cannot exist a generation without a pope" inherently undefinable?
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