Quote from: Caminus

So are his words "objectively heretical" or not?

A simple "yes" or "no" will not suffice, because your question is a pharasaical trap.  In order for me to answer your question, you need to define "objectively heretical".  I am unfamiliar with this terminology.

Do you mean manifestly heretical, materially heretical?  What?

I play this game of yours so others will see your bad-will and realize that your theology is false and empty.  As I clearly stated, Pope St Leo the Great's words are NOT heretical.

I await your definition.  If you cannot provide a clear definition, how do you expect me to answer your question.  Do you even know what you are asking?

Hello, Caminus.  Come out from hiding.  Tell us what you mean by "objectively heretical".

Let this be a lesson to all good-will people, who might be reading these threads.  Bad-willed heretics, like Caminus, try to obfuscate the issues.  They are really demons seeking self-glorification and working in the vineyard of satan in an attempt to confuse the good-willed persons, who if had the Catholic Faith, would abjure and become Catholics.

The Catholic Faith is simple.  One by one, CM and I have exposed the errors of the heretics on this board to the point where they do not even have the courage to post their lies anymore.  Not every person who calls themselves "catholic" and recognizes problems with Vatican II is, in fact, a Catholic.

No, to be a Catholic you must first know the Catholic Faith well enough to recognize antipopes from true popes and then love Truth well enough to submit to it, to submit to the dogmas.

The great majority of posters here are not seeking God's Truth, but trying to impress everybody else with how much they know.  In reality, we see how little they know, like Caminus who cannot even give meaning to his own pharasaical questions.  Pathetic.

If you want to learn the Catholic Faith, which is necessary to save your immortal soul, ask CM or myself.  Trust nobody else.  Or simply visit www.WillingCatholicMartyr.blogspot.com or www.TheCatholicFaith.info.

Oh dear, my conscience is perplexed, which pope should I follow?  Decisions, decisions...

Why don't you ask your friend, David (CM).  He should be able to assist you.  Here's the quote if you didn't see it: "His statement is objectively heretical."  Page four of the other outrageously stupid thread that you started.

Exposed!  Caminus, you are a theological fraud.  By the grace of God, I have addressed every one of your points, refuted them soundly, and exposed you as a perpetrator of confusion.  Begone, you satan!

Are you on crack?  That was your friend David's words, take it up with him, after all, that is the reason why I used the term in the first place, I was speaking your language.

Are you on crack?  That was your friend David's words, take it up with him, after all, that is the reason why I used the term in the first place, I was speaking your language.

So you admit it.  You don't know what it means.  You asked a question without even understanding what you were asking.  

You are exposed!  Begone you, satan!  You perpetrator of confusion!

Quote from: Caminus

Are you on crack?  That was your friend David's words, take it up with him, after all, that is the reason why I used the term in the first place, I was speaking your language.

So you admit it.  You don't know what it means.  You asked a question without even understanding what you were asking.  

You are exposed!  Begone you, satan!  You perpetrator of confusion!

This is an example of evasion everybody, take careful notes.  

Well, he's either faking this or he is truly this delusional.  Either way, it's not good.

No, to be a Catholic you must first know the Catholic Faith well enough to recognize antipopes from true popes and then love Truth well enough to submit to it, to submit to the dogmas.

Not to mention that when a heretical antipope has control over the Vatican, it would be just as though the parish priest had been replaced with a heretical priest.  In a short time you would see a massive change of the lingo in the sermons, the moral teachings, etc. Like how the Vianney family, during the French Revolution, noticed that the words "civilian" and "civism" were being introduced by their new "pastor".

Likewise, with Benedict XV eliminating the sodality that opposed Modernism and talking all about brotherly love and all peoples uniting into a "league" or "family of peoples" - and this independently from the Catholic Faith (heresy) - it would have been clear to those of good will that they were no longer in the Catholic Church and had to obey God's exhortation:

Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.