The other thread was derailed, therefore, I was forced to move it here.

BODers here on CI when faced with the contradictions in their BOD edifice, do what millions of people have done every since when the true religion demanded of them a reformation in their conduct: they change the subject. They are willing to make BOD a matter of discussion, but they do not want to make it a matter of decision.

A person who has the conviction of knowing that they possess the truth, would never be totally hesitant and on guard the way these BODers on CI are. Not even they believe what they say. Let's try again, is there an honest BODer out there that is not scared of his own shadow?


The decision is this:

Do I want to continue to believe that a "Hindu in India" can be saved? (a Hindu who is not baptized, has no explicit desire to be baptized, has no explicit desire to be a Catholic, has no explicit belief in Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity, a Hindu who lived always believing that he was a Hindu). A belief that is not supported by ANY Father, Doctor, Saint, Council, or catechism prior to the 20th century (and is opposed directly to the Athanasian Creed and the Council of Florence)?

Or

Do I make the decision to restrict my belief to the theories of BOD & BOB of the catechumen, theories which are undeniable supported by some Doctors and Saints.


In other words, are you willing to BELIEVE and teach non-Catholics  this (St. Alphonsus Ligouri believed in BOD & BOB of the catechumen, and is the most sighted source by BODers):

St. Alphonsus: “If you are ignorant of the truths of the faith, you are obliged to learn them. Every Christian is bound to learn the Creed, the Our Father, and the Hail Mary under pain of mortal sin. Many have no idea of the Most Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, mortal sin, Judgment, Paradise, Hell, or Eternity; and this deplorable ignorance damns them.” (Michael Malone, The Apostolic Digest, p. 159.)

St. Alphonsus: “See also the special love which God has shown you in bringing you into life in a Christian country, and in the bosom of the Catholic or true Church. How many are born among the pagans, among the Jєωs, among the Mohometans and heretics, and all are lost.” (Sermons of St. Alphonsus Liguori, Tan Books, 1982, p. 219)

O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jєωs who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)


In the great deluge in the days of Noah, all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water, but sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

 

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