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CAF Infraction for "insulting" other members
« on: April 18, 2010, 12:52:18 PM »
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  • Matthew,

    Since you are a forum moderator I ask you and the rest of Cath Info to see if they can figure out how in the world the cited quotation is "insulting" other members...

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    Dear stevusmagnus,

    You have received an infraction at Catholic Answers Forums.

    Reason: Insulted Other Member(s)
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    Your comments are insulting others and totally inappropriate. You are to stop them immediately. You now have an infraction of five points, stands for 14 days. If you wish to appeal my decision you may contact me via PM or contact the forum administrator via email by writing to forumadmin@catholic.com

    Sincerely,

    Thomas Casey
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    This infraction is worth 5 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

    Original Post:
    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=6539930
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    Originally Posted by Erin Anne  
    Please stop with the Novus Ordo references. You're making Traditionalists look bad..

    Seriously

    Stevusmagnus wrote:
    Was the artist a Novus Ordo Catholic?

    Was the parish a Novus Ordo Parish?

    Was the priest a Novus Ordo priest?

    Facts are facts and I'm not afraid to state them.

    All the best,
    Catholic Answers Forums

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    CAF Infraction for "insulting" other members
    « Reply #1 on: April 18, 2010, 02:03:54 PM »
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  • A Neo-Cath post directed to me on same thread...

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    Why do you talk in such an asinine manner? Out of pure ignorance or simply to offend others?  


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    CAF Infraction for "insulting" other members
    « Reply #2 on: April 19, 2010, 11:45:17 AM »
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  • Stevus, they can't stand the Truth over there.

    What pompous, self-righteous frauds!

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    « Reply #3 on: April 19, 2010, 01:29:02 PM »
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  • One more thought.

    Their forum rules only apply to traditionals.  Everyone else gets a free pass.  They've got some real vipers and instigators that post there.  Nothing is done to them.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 19, 2010, 01:45:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    A Neo-Cath post directed to me on same thread...

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    Why do you talk in such an asinine manner? Out of pure ignorance or simply to offend others?  


    and this comment went un-corrected? geesh, they are Neotrads and Neocons
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #5 on: April 19, 2010, 02:00:42 PM »
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  • Not too surprisingly, I did not last too long there :)

    Eh, fuhgeddaboudit, stevus.  Their blindness is pretty severe/complete at this stage.  Anyone of good dispositions will receive the graces necessary to search elsewhere, find the right info, etc.  God has ways of assisting those who seek Him that we cannot even begin to conceive.

    FWIW, I got in trouble for speaking the truth about so-called Orthodoxy.  Some thanked me (privately, knowing the mentality of the moderators), but TPTB canned me pretty quickly -- despite the calm, logical nature of what I wrote, all of which was simply what the Church says on the matter.  Let it go, my friend; move on; use your limited time and energy on better pursuits.  Some battles ARE worth fighting -- IMO, this is not one.  Your call; your life.  Godspeed.
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    « Reply #6 on: April 19, 2010, 10:29:21 PM »
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  • With all due respect, Stevus, what were you doing wasting precious time on CAF in the first place?  Surely you saw how illogical and intransigent they were.  Take Gladius's advice - cut bait, move on and shake the dust from your feet.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 05:52:02 PM »
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    « Reply #8 on: April 20, 2010, 06:07:35 PM »
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  • "We do not condone uncharitable and defamatory comments.  You may discuss your position without the attacks on other Catholics. "

    Who is this man kidding?  Hypocrite!  As I said, these rules only apply to traditionals; everyone else can be as uncharitable, crude, crass, vicious and malicious as they want, as long as it's on the pro-VII side. :cop:

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    « Reply #9 on: April 20, 2010, 06:16:09 PM »
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  • Thomas,

    Thank you for your response. I understand your position and thanks for the clarification.

    However, in your original infraction you stated I could either PM you for clarification or else write to the forum administrator to appeal the infraction.

    I chose to write the forum administrator so that an objective third party could rule on the appeal of the infraction.

    Since I don't think there is any chance you would overrule your own infraction, I honestly don't see the point in the appeal process. I don't mean this to be smart, I just honestly don't understand.

    I thought that I could PM you for an inquiry or explanation, and this is what you seem to have provided. But in order to have any chance of an appeal overturning a decision, wouldn't the evaluator have to be a third party?

    I'm not sure I understand why I was given two options, PM you, or e-mail the forum administrator, if both options come to the same evaluation process.

    I would like to request the opportunity at this time to appeal the infraction decision to an independent, objective, third party moderator.

    I'd also like to know the rulings on other posters in the thread I and at least one other reported who posted insulting, rude, and defamatory comments towards me,

    ChurchTorch posted, and I quote:

    "Why do you talk in such an asinine manner? Out of pure ignorance or simply to offend others? "

    "I'm not sure there is a single phrase in this post that isn't offensive, ignorant, and purposefully belligerent."

    Another poster posted these:

    "Oh please.There is no such thing as unintentional pornography- like the painting.intent is all.You are viewing a similcrum and reading way to much into it.YOU! You're viewing and then matrixing what you see-filling in the blanks , to make sense out of it."

    I'm accused of the sin of calumny below as well as having a dirty mind that sees things that are not there...

     "The original San Damiano cross, is over 700 years old.Lines and details fade over time.The original probably had much more in common with the newer one , when it itself was new.You assume the artist created a "pornographic"painting-because that's what you want to believe.It fits into your mindset of what an OF church is. What you are doing is creating the cross into the image and likeness of Steve's imagination.By assigning malicious intent to an artist,who  probably has none is calumny."

    And finally, I honestly found this above referenced post offensive:

    "Your comment is very offensive.

    It would take a very ignorant and hateful individual to label such a crucifix a "NO Crucifix." You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Do you have any idea how making such a comment makes you look?

    If you claim to be a "traditional Catholic", do you have any idea, do you have any idea how your comments would pollute "traditional Catholicism?"

    With all due respect, I stated facts in reply. "Novus Ordo" is a term used to describe the New Mass. And "Novus Ordo" is a descriptor to distinguish those faithful who regularly attend the OF Mass and believe in the policy decisions of the Church since VCII. Traditionalists disagree with the direction and policy decisions of the Church since VCII which they are free to do. They also regularly attend the EF. I do not think "Novus Ordo" is a derogatory term, but rather a useful descriptive term.

    In this context, I stated undeniable facts that the crucifix was created for a Novus Ordo parish, under direction of a Novus Ordo priest, where the Novus Ordo Mass was said. I was responding to someone who said it was not a Novus Ordo crucifix. I do think I have a right to state facts.

    The poster then says I should be "ashamed" of myself, asks if I have any idea how the comments make me look (to her) and that I "pollute" traditional catholicism(!). Is this not rude defamatory or insulting?

    Thank you for your time.

    Steve

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    « Reply #10 on: April 20, 2010, 06:20:33 PM »
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  • They'll probably ban you.  The above is too reasonable, rational and sane for them to comprehend it.  


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    « Reply #11 on: April 20, 2010, 06:30:37 PM »
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    « Reply #12 on: April 20, 2010, 11:36:05 PM »
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  • I am trying to leave this crucifix subject alone.  Okay, so it's all in our dirty minds that this crucifix is obscene.  How about all the other strange and outlandish crucifixes of the Novus Ordo?  Are they claiming that much Novus Ordo "artwork" is not deliberately impious and bizarre?
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #13 on: April 20, 2010, 11:50:42 PM »
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  • CA is such BS. I got banned because of "contempt for Catholicism" and leading Catholics to "question their faith".

    I love how people can question Catholicism from the perspective from a Jew, Muslim, etc. but if you question the actions of the Pope and you claim to be a Catholic, you are banned.

    If they believe so strongly in what they preach, why can't they defend against sedevacantist or other traditional opinions instead of just instantly shutting it down and deleting the post?

    Hmmmm...

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    « Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 11:45:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: EcceAgnusDei
    CA is such BS. I got banned because of "contempt for Catholicism" and leading Catholics to "question their faith".

    I love how people can question Catholicism from the perspective from a Jew, Muslim, etc. but if you question the actions of the Pope and you claim to be a Catholic, you are banned.

    If they believe so strongly in what they preach, why can't they defend against sedevacantist or other traditional opinions instead of just instantly shutting it down and deleting the post?

    Hmmmm...


    Precisely, Ecce!

    They have justice Stalin-style there.  Last week I took a gander over to the forum and there was a man that was defending Mao and telling everyone to focus on the positive aspects of his philosophy.  Can you imagine? :laugh1:

     

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