Author Topic: C.M.M.M. (Read 2297 times)

CM · « **on:** October 25, 2009, 03:25:26 AM »

You claim that you believe ex cathedra decrees contain no error at all.

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It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jєωs or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Catholic Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.

Then are you prepared to take these words to their logical conclusion? For example, do you believe that infants who die unbaptized (hence outside of the Church) go into the everlasting fire which as prepared for the devil and his angels?

Or is it an error to say that ALL who die outside the Church go into the fire?

CMMM · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2009, 09:30:44 AM »

We addressed this before, and you had a little spat.

Semi colons, remember?

CM · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2009, 03:12:18 PM »

What a heretic.

CMMM · « **Reply #3 on:** October 26, 2009, 02:49:12 PM »

Tell me why they are not significant.

CM · « **Reply #4 on:** October 26, 2009, 08:34:06 PM »

No. You are the one who is claiming that somehow a semicolon negates the clear and unambiguous words that all who die outside the Church go into the everlasting fire of hell.

Why don't you explain your reasoning for how this can possibly be?

CMMM · « **Reply #5 on:** October 26, 2009, 08:49:15 PM »

I did before. You had a spat, as I said, and claimed it irrelevant.

CM · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2009, 09:08:09 PM »

No you didn't at all. You ASKED ME what the significance of the semicolons was, I answered, and you left the point alone after that, WITHOUT EVER EXPLAINING WHY YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

CM · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2009, 09:08:50 PM »

You have a remarkably creative 'memory'.

CM · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2009, 09:17:09 PM »

Please clearly set out your reasoning behind why Catholics, on a account of a semicolon(!), are not bound to believe that all those who die outside the Catholic Church go into the fires of hell.

No more evasion.

CMMM · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2009, 09:53:47 PM »

Address my concerns of our other thread.

CM · « **Reply #10 on:** October 26, 2009, 10:43:29 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Please clearly set out your reasoning behind why Catholics, on a account of a semicolon(!), are not bound to believe that all those who die outside the Catholic Church go into the fires of hell.

No more evasion.

CMMM · « **Reply #11 on:** October 27, 2009, 11:46:00 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

No you didn't at all. You ASKED ME what the significance of the semicolons was, I answered, and you left the point alone after that, WITHOUT EVER EXPLAINING WHY YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=8313&min=0&num=20

You never responded to the majority of my points. I assumed that was you having a spat, but I suppose it could have been just being rude.

Anyways, the significance of the semi colon is fairly evident, if you had bothered to read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon

CM · « **Reply #12 on:** October 27, 2009, 04:20:25 PM »

Quote from: C.M.M.M

Anyways, the significance of the semi colon is fairly evident, if you had bothered to read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon

I know what a semicolon is and how it is used. But I am STILL waiting for your explanation as to HOW O HOW it can negate the words of the decree, as you imply it can.

This should be good.

And as to you points that you say I did not address, I answered all kinds of points in that thread. Which ones in particular are you thinking of? I will answer them if you point them out.

CMMM · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2009, 04:56:49 PM »

When did I ever say it negates any words?

When did I say those who die outside the catholic church are not condemned to hell?

I'm asserting that your logical conclusion that children are thus condemned to hell is completely false and not supported by this decree.

CM · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2009, 05:40:52 PM »

Can't you stay focused? You're all over the place man!

Are unbaptized children or aren't they outside the Church?