Author Topic: By Their Fruits You Will Know Them (Read 3665 times)

poche · « **Reply #40 on:** December 22, 2013, 03:55:14 AM »

It is for the salvation of the repeat apostate who cannot be returned into the Church, that they are to be executed (not BY the Church), and in this way the Church shows her love for them, not LACK of love for them. So you're all mixed up about, "If God loves them then why should not we?" The most loving thing to do for a pertinacious Sodomite is for the state to put him out of his misery, and it saves the society from the contagion of their pernicious apostasy.

They don't do that any more and haven't done it in a long time.

poche · « **Reply #41 on:** December 22, 2013, 03:57:27 AM »

While the confessional is a great help, it is not a cure-all, for in extreme cases, the priest does not give absolution. The travesty today is that there are so many Sodomites who go to confession and get absolved and then go right out and do it some more, because their confessor is "pastorally sensitive."

That's a requirement now for a seminarian in the Newchurch seminaries, to be "pastorally sensitive" to Sodomites. Maybe you didn't know that, poche.

This going to confession demonstrates that someone is not the unrepentant sinner that we have been talking about. Actually the Church should be pastorally sensitive to everybody, not just one category of sinner.

Petertherock · « **Reply #42 on:** December 22, 2013, 05:31:00 AM »

Quote from: poche

While the confessional is a great help, it is not a cure-all, for in extreme cases, the priest does not give absolution. The travesty today is that there are so many Sodomites who go to confession and get absolved and then go right out and do it some more, because their confessor is "pastorally sensitive."

That's a requirement now for a seminarian in the Newchurch seminaries, to be "pastorally sensitive" to Sodomites. Maybe you didn't know that, poche.

This going to confession demonstrates that someone is not the unrepentant sinner that we have been talking about. Actually the Church should be pastorally sensitive to everybody, not just one category of sinner.

There are people that go to confession who are not sorry for their sins, nor do they intend to do penance. For instance, if a guy confesses that he is shacking up with his girlfriend, and he leaves the confessional and goes back and shacks up with his girlfriend, he isn't really repenting is he?

crossbro · « **Reply #43 on:** December 22, 2013, 09:15:13 AM »

Quote from: Petertherock

Quote from: poche
While the confessional is a great help, it is not a cure-all, for in extreme cases, the priest does not give absolution. The travesty today is that there are so many Sodomites who go to confession and get absolved and then go right out and do it some more, because their confessor is "pastorally sensitive."

That's a requirement now for a seminarian in the Newchurch seminaries, to be "pastorally sensitive" to Sodomites. Maybe you didn't know that, poche.

This going to confession demonstrates that someone is not the unrepentant sinner that we have been talking about. Actually the Church should be pastorally sensitive to everybody, not just one category of sinner.

There are people that go to confession who are not sorry for their sins, nor do they intend to do penance. For instance, if a guy confesses that he is shacking up with his girlfriend, and he leaves the confessional and goes back and shacks up with his girlfriend, he isn't really repenting is he?

I was at confession with a NO priest last year who asked me why I felt that I could not go down for Communion. Then he told me never to refuse Communion, his exact words were, "Don't let your sins control you."

Mabel · « **Reply #44 on:** December 22, 2013, 10:46:37 AM »

Quote from: poche

No one hates anyone, except those who hate God. Even then, God in His Goodness, has given us the confessional that we might renounce our hatred of Him, should be be so unfortunate to fall into habitual mortal sin.

Even if he has life in him he has the potentiality to turn from sin. If he has life in him then God loves him. If God loves him then why should not we?

We do. That is why everyone is urged to make regular confessions, but most especially those tempted by vice.

I'm not out there being nasty or rude to anyone.