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By Their Fruits You Will Know Them
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2013, 03:08:35 PM »
*edited for brevity*

Quote from: poche
Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
Quote from: poche
Where are the repentant Sodomites doing penance? Hmmm?

Even without the penance -- where are the repentant sodomites???

They may be closer to you than you realize.


I hope you're not talking about posters here.  :stare:

No, they are not closer than they appear. When they come close by the grace of God of putting away their lifestyles because of the 1st Commandment (" I am the Lord thy God; thou shalt not have strange gods before Me."), and they go to church, are they supported, or are they tempted back into their sinful lifestyle because the "vicar" says "Who am I to judge?" while Jesus says "I AM". (See the tiny little disparity there?)

Reason to yourself: do you believe that Sodomites (SSA, whatever) who are penitent are going to be picking up a copy of the Advocate? And if so, are they going to be feeling a lot of consolation, or are they going to be seeing an ADVOCATE for their sinful "feelings"?


I am talking about maybe some one who could be sitting close to you when you go to mass this Sunday.


Okay, fair enough. I'd love to know what your Mass is like, for real. At ours, we quietly welcome all and scooch over in the pews and, overall, stay focused on the altar. We women are unofficially charged with "scarf duty" (making sure everyone has some appropriate clothing on, offering a pashmina or veil very kindly, to any who might come in with thinner clothing, especially in this freezing weather). Men do something similar. But generally, we look at the altar, pray, and prepare for Mass.

We don't talk about private lives.

I've offered to take fussy babies from tired parents and walk them outside or downstairs, but that's about as involved as we get [during Mass].

Anything else a Sodomite at Mass might be concerned about, that is between that person and God. I don't speak in Church, ever. Few do, even when they've passed out and inadvertently caused an interruption.

After Mass, if we go to the coffee hour thing, we still don't talk about that sort of thing. When something inappropriate has come up, we refer the speaker to the priest, deacon, or generally "upstairs".

We say very little even after Mass that would offend, unless there is a mild joke about a "local" (tri-state area) happening. We do NOT mill about talking about how this group is damned, or those people are surely going to Hell.

A potential-Sodomite sitting by us in Mass would have to read minds, and even then, I can't imagine spending Mass thinking of manner of sin that has nothing to do with me (drive-by shootings, cocaine usage, Sodomites struggling with their issues, etc). That's the LAST thing on my mind. I'm there to SEE HEAVEN, maybe as close as I'll ever get, and to hear Mass, and to take the Eucharist.

So I've got to ask: what manner of parish do you attend where a Sodomite with the latest Advocate might plop down beside you and strike up a conversation?!

Again, Poche, look at your posts: no downvotes, no one's mad: I'm concerned for you. But hey, that puts you in at least my prayers, and I'm sure those of many others. My mental image of you is this guy:



And SORRY SO BIG! If someone could tell me how to make pictures smaller here, I'd GLADLY do it! I have to have mental images to put with names when I pray; it's a deficiency, I know. Curious now if I'm close (note: I know nothing about John Ritter, so there's no sub-contextual "judgment". Just saw his picture recently, thought of you, and it's merely a curiosity if you're this clean-cut, friendly type in his 30s like I'm thinking, so please don't be offended).

By Their Fruits You Will Know Them
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2013, 04:13:07 PM »
I can't picture Poche with hair. Sorry, SCG.


By Their Fruits You Will Know Them
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2013, 07:43:33 PM »
Quote from: Mabel
I can't picture Poche with hair. Sorry, SCG.


I picture Poche with very nice hair, for some reason. Well kept, a bit long, but not girly. I don't know; very mild-mannered, friendly. As I've said elsewhere, I picture him as the parish friendly guy that gets the teenage girls on their best behavior. (We've had a few of those; they turned out to be completely chaste and discerning a vocation. Well, one ended up married, and the other is still discerning in another state. I think that's why I picture Poche like that: he reminds me of that clean-cut sort.)

Aargh, not trying to talk about you Poche. Actually, that type of outwardly meek/inwardly Trad male has proven to be invaluable to our parish. And people trust them; and they work hard in their communities, so they make the parish look good.

 :cheers:

Oh: we should do a jolly Holidays personality guessing game! No pictures or other identifying information, but stuff like:

Neil Obstat's favorite secular author, between Tom Clancy, Dostoyevsky, and Lord Byron!

Does bowler prefer to wear tennis shoes or Ferragamos ('Magnifico' Loafer)?

Would you ever catch Stubborn in a tuxedo, and if so, how often?

The ONE material item Mabel would most want for a Christmas gift?

Etc. I think that could be fun  :smile:

(Vicodin haze... hey, I'm supposed to be on Percocets so I'm actually WAY undercutting my pain meds!) Yes, I just saw I'm in the Crisis in the Church section. But we're Catholics. We're supposed to be at peace and happy, especially as we prepare to celebrate the Birth of Our Lord!

Happy Advent Everyone!

Three days and a wake up!

By Their Fruits You Will Know Them
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2013, 07:48:12 PM »
Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
Quote from: Mabel
I can't picture Poche with hair. Sorry, SCG.


I picture Poche with very nice hair, for some reason. Well kept, a bit long, but not girly. I don't know; very mild-mannered, friendly. As I've said elsewhere, I picture him as the parish friendly guy that gets the teenage girls on their best behavior. (We've had a few of those; they turned out to be completely chaste and discerning a vocation. Well, one ended up married, and the other is still discerning in another state. I think that's why I picture Poche like that: he reminds me of that clean-cut sort.)

Aargh, not trying to talk about you Poche. Actually, that type of outwardly meek/inwardly Trad male has proven to be invaluable to our parish. And people trust them; and they work hard in their communities, so they make the parish look good.

 :cheers:

Oh: we should do a jolly Holidays personality guessing game! No pictures or other identifying information, but stuff like:

Neil Obstat's favorite secular author, between Tom Clancy, Dostoyevsky, and Lord Byron!

Does bowler prefer to wear tennis shoes or Ferragamos ('Magnifico' Loafer)?

Would you ever catch Stubborn in a tuxedo, and if so, how often?

The ONE material item Mabel would most want for a Christmas gift?

Etc. I think that could be fun  :smile:

(Vicodin haze... hey, I'm supposed to be on Percocets so I'm actually WAY undercutting my pain meds!) Yes, I just saw I'm in the Crisis in the Church section. But we're Catholics. We're supposed to be at peace and happy, especially as we prepare to celebrate the Birth of Our Lord!

Happy Advent Everyone!

Three days and a wake up!


We used to have an old man table at our local Denny's...I can tell you I've pictured several posters at that table.

My big thing is I always assign people to locations. I was sure, you SCG, were a Texan.

That would be a fun game! :cheers:

By Their Fruits You Will Know Them
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2013, 12:52:42 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont
Quote from: poche
Whatever happened to love the sinner and hate the sin?


Exactly who are you referring to here? Has someone suggested we should hate the sinner?

I think we have been talking apples and oranges. When the pope said, "Who am I to judge?" this was in reference to someone who had good will in the Church who was seeking God. A person of good will in the Church seeking god is not  unrepentant. If there were some sins for which he was unrepentant then it would most likely be a case of invincible ignorance.
An unrepentant sinner is not a person of good will who is seeking God.