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BVM Co-Redemtrix, Co-Mediatrix
« on: November 08, 2025, 03:17:12 PM »
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  • In Ss. Peter & Paul Roman Catholic Mission Bulletin this week there is published a Vatican News article reporting on the docuмent that addresses the titles of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The commentary on the article offers an opinion why the Vatican wants to deny these titles that properly belong to the Mother of God.  I think the commentary is worth passing along. The Bulletin also relates this to the recent inter-faith Nostra Aetate anniversary celebration at the Vatican but I will not address that.

    Doctrinal Note on Marian titles: Mother of the faithful, not Co-redemptrix
    The docuмent of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, approved by Pope Leo XIV, offers clarifications on titles applied to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and calls for special attention to the use of the expression, “Mediatrix of all graces.”
    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2025-11/doctrinal-note-mother-of-the-faithful-not-co-redemptrix.html



    COMMENT: Amazing to hear these apostates chirping about the lack of "precise meaning" of theological terms while obscurity in definition is, and has been since Vatican II, the calling card of the Novus Ordo theologian and prelates. They like to muddle what is clear. Let's start with the title, "Mother of Believers" and "Mother of the Faithful." These are, in fact, worthy titles of the Mother of God and frequently occur in St. Mary of Agreda's City of God, yet the Novus Ordo clerics would never be found offering a precise definition and meaning for the term "faithful" and then identify exactly who the "faithful" are.

    The term "faithful" has a precise Catholic definition. It refers to those who have been baptized into the Catholic Church and profess the one, holy, catholic and apostolic faith. By virtue of this incorporation by baptism they have become "children of God." They faithfully believe all the truths that God has revealed on the authority of God the Revealer. Only those who have become thus members of the Mystical Body of Christ share by participation in His divine nature and become brothers and sister of Jesus Christ and therefore, sons of His Mother. This definition excludes all heretics, schismatics, Jews, pagans, and any other form of idolaters. Novus Ordo clerics heretically teach that everyone is a child of God by virtue of the Incarnation. Everyone by nature is a creature of God created in His image and likeness with the spiritual soul with the powers of reason and free will, but every creature is born in original sin and cut off from the friendship of God. He is only a "child of God" in potentia. Without the sacrament of Baptism and the Catholic faith they can never become "children of God." This obscurity of definition as to who is a child of God and thus a child of the Blessed Virgin Mary ultimately obscures what is necessary as a necessity of means to obtain salvation.

    The title Mediatrix of all grace is long established and of sound and precise theological understanding. Those that pretend otherwise are ignorant, proud, and deceitful. They have no excuse. 'The law of prayer determines the law of belief' is, as affirmed by St. Pius X in Pascendi, a canon of faith from the time of Celestine I, that is, a dogma of the Catholic Church. The immemorial Roman rite has a Mass in honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mediatrix of all grace celebrated on May 31 established by Pope Benedict XV. Regarding this feast, Dom Gaspar Lefebvre, O.S.B. of the Abby of St. Andrew teaches:

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    "The will of God is that we should have everything through Mary," says St. Bernard. The Father has sent us His Son, but His will was to make His coming depend upon the Fiat of the Virgin, which He commanded to the angel Gabriel to solicit on the day of the Annunciation.
    The Father and the Son send us the Holy Ghost, but it is through Mary that He comes down to men. On the day of Pentecost, according to an ancient Tradition, the heavenly fire which descended on the Cenacle first rested on Mary, and then on the apostles. This is a figure of what happens every day in the Church where the Holy Ghost is sent invisibly into our souls. "All the gifts of the Holy Ghost are distributed by Mary to those whom she chooses, whenever she wishes and as much as she wishes," says St. Bernardine of Siena.
    The graces which the Holy Ghost pours down on us are due to the merits of Christ on Calvary; but in order that God may bestow them on the world, it is necessary that Mary should intervene. Having cooperated by her divine maternity and by her sufferings at the foot of the Cross in the Incarnation and Redemption, she has deserved to co-operate when they are continually applied to creatures by the most High. "By the communion of sorrows and of will between Christ and Mary," says St. Pius X, "she has deserved to become the dispenser of all the blessings which Jesus acquired for us by His blood" (Encyclical 2-2-1904). Such is His will, but it is essential that she should constantly intercede for each one of us. This she does, relying on the blood of Christ by whom she was herself saved, and who alone saves us. This actual intervention of Mary plays a preponderating part in the salvation of the world. It is important that we should realize this, and it is the object of the feast of Mary Mediatrix of all Graces. A clear idea of the fact may be obtained by simple reading the texts of the Mass and Vespers.
    "Through the Virgin," says St. Bernardine of Siena, "life-giving graces flow from Christ, who is the head, into His mystical body." "Through her," adds St. Antoninus, "come from heaven all the graces granted to the world." "What all the saints united to thee may obtain for us by their intercession," writes St. Anselm, "thy pleading alone may obtain without the help of their prayers." The maternal solicitude of Mary for the whole human race is therefore continual, and it is because of this that unceasingly, through the Mass, the sacraments, the hierarchy and other channels of grace, the merits of Calvary are applied to our souls. "We may affirm," declared Pope Leo XIII, "that by the will of God, nothing is given to us without Mary's mediation, in such a way that  just as no one can approach the almighty Father but through His Son, so no one, so to speak, can approach Christ but through Hid Mother" (Encyclical, 9-22-1891).
    Let us therefore not consider as of small importance the efforts made to establish this point of doctrine of Mary's mediation, since this doctrine enables us to understand the divine plan, and clearly manifests the mediation of the Son of God of which it is a corollary.

    St. Mary of Agreda at the Coronation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of Heaven, writes that Jesus Christ addressed the entire heavenly assembly of angels and saints saying:

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    "My Father and eternal God, this is the Woman, that gave Me my human form in her virginal womb, that nourished Me at her breast and sustained labors for Me, that shared in my hardships and so-operated with Me in the works of Redemption. This is She, who was always most faithful and fulfilled our will according to our entire pleasure; She, pure and immaculate as my Mother, through her own works, has reached the summit of sanctity according to the measure of the gifts We have communicated to Her; and when She had merited her reward and could have enjoyed it forever, She deprived Herself of it for Our glory and returned to attend to the establishment, the government, and instruction of the Church militant; and We, in order that She might live in it for the succor of the faithful, deferred her eternal rest, which She has merited over and over again. In the highest bounty and equity of our Providence it is just, that my Mother should be remunerated for her works of love beyond all other creatures; and toward Her the common law of the other mortals should not apply. If I have merited for all infinite merits and boundless graces, it is proper that my Mother should partake of them above all the others who are so inferior; for She in her conduct corresponds to our liberality and puts no hindrance or obstacle to our infinite power of communicating our treasures and participating them as the Queen and Mistress of all that is created."

    Sanctifying grace is the created participation in the divine nature. The Blessed Virgin is the "Queen and Mistress of all that is created." In this Mass the Church prays:
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    O Lord Jesus Christ, our Mediator with the Father, who hast appointed the most blessed Virgin, Thy mother, to be our mother also and our mediatrix before Thee: Grant that whosoever draweth nigh to Thee to beseech any benefit, may receive all things through her and rejoice.

    Rev. Gregory Alastruey's theological work titles, The Blessed Virgin Mary, says that, "There are five principle titles and offices due Mary, the Mother of God, by reason of her cooperation in redemption: Mediatrix, Co-redemptrix, Mother of Christians, Patroness or Advocate, and Queen and Mistress of the universe. I would recommend those who deny this proper honor to the Mother of God obtain a copy of the book and have their stupidity erased. I do not say, ignorance erased because willful ignorance is stupidity. Fr. Alastruey affirms that "Mary is truly mediatrix of the human race and this doctrine pertains to the deposit of faith." He then draws from Scripture, the Fathers, and theologians in support of this truth. He proves from the Church Fathers that the word "mediatrix" was explicitly used by St. Ephrem, St. Epiphanius, St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil of Seleucia, St. Andrew of Crete, St Germanus of Constantinople, St. John Damascene, St Theodore, St. Antoninus and Denis the Carthusian. He draws richly from the divine liturgy from both Eastern and Roman traditions. The errors of the Protestant heretics are addressed and exposed which are curiously the same as expressed by the Novus Ordo popes.

    Lastly, it is worth asking Why do the Novus Ordo popes hate these proper titles of the Mother of God? The answer is simple. The Blessed Virgin asked the three children at Fatima on June 13, 1917, "Are you willing to offer yourselves to God to bear all the sufferings He wills to send you, as an act of reparation for the sins by which He is offended, and of supplication for the conversion of sinners?" To which question all answered, "Yes, we are willing." The Mother of God said on July 13 after the children has seen a vision of Hell, "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially whenever you make some sacrifice: O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary." On August 13 the Mother of God continued saying, "Pray, pray very much, and make sacrifices for sinners; for many souls go to hell, because there are none to sacrifice themselves and to pray for them." The Blessed Virgin is asking the children to be co-redemptors and co-mediators of grace with her in union with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for the conversion and salvation of sinners. If the title of Co-Redemtrix and Mediatrix of all Grace can be taken away from the Mother of God then no one is responsible to do penance for their own sins or the sins of others. This falls back to the Protestant heresy on the dogma of justification and the very nature of our incorporation into the divine nature in the Mystical Body of Christ. Leo/Provost, like his predecessor Francis/Bergoglio, believes that proselytism is "solemn nonsense." They attack the titles to excuse their own faithless sloth. They are working to obscure the very means of salvation. As Jesus Christ said: "But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter" (Matt 23:13).

    Pope Leo is just another heretic who denies the Blessed Virgin Mary her just titles of Mediatrix of all Grace and Co-Redemtrix. Only a few days ago, he celebrated with heretics, schismatics, Jews, Moslems, and a variety of idolaters a shared communion praying to their common god a united petition for peace in the world. He continues to ignore the peace plan offered by the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mediatrix of all Grace, at Fatima. Pope Leo will soon learn that those who insult the Mother have made an enemy of the Son.

    D. Drew
    Ss. Peter & Paul Roman Catholic Mission




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    Re: BVM Co-Redemtrix, Co-Mediatrix
    « Reply #1 on: November 08, 2025, 06:13:05 PM »
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  • Below is an SSPX website article from 2019. Yet has anyone seen where they have condemned this new attack on Our Lady by the New Church? The priest who gave the sermon this morning at the local SSPX lamented this new development and said we must have the courage of martyrs in defending the Faith. Yet he did not once mention the villains in Rome who are doing this or the conclusions we must draw about them. He didn't even mention Rome, or the Pope, or the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith. Extraordinary! The courage of martyrs?

    Mary Mediatrix of all Graces 

    September 21, 2019
    Source: FSSPX News 

    The doctrine of Our Lady as the Mediatrix of all graces is a truth of faith pertaining to the universal ordinary magisterium. It maintains that all the graces of conversion and sanctification, merited by Our Lord through His passion and death on the cross, have been deposited in Mary so that she may distribute them to all men of good will, «whenever she wishes, to whom she wishes, how she wishes and how much she wishes» (St  Bernard).

    This mystery is not only one of her most beautiful privileges, but also a reality that profoundly affects the relationship of the spiritual Mother with us and especially her role in our work of conversion and sanctification. Saint Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort makes it clear that true and perfect devotion to Mary is based on this truth. That devotion incarnates the doctrine of Mary as “our Mother and Mediatrix” for our personal life, for our conversion and sanctification. If God wanted to “give us everything through Mary” (St Bernard) and nothing but through Mary, God will not come nearer to us without her, and neither will we go back to God without her. If we want to live Christian lives according to the will of God, our whole life must be penetrated by Mary, directed by Mary. It is in so far as she is present in us and we strive to do everything through her, with her, in her, and for her, that God will give us His graces.

    Since God does not force us to accept His redeeming action, but wants our free consent, the Blessed Virgin can exercise her role of Mediatrix in us only if we desire it, if we accept it by an act of will, by a deliberate and decisive «yes». She will do her work in us only to the extent that we give ourselves to her through an act of consecration. If we consider what we give to Our Lady by this act of consecration, we must keep in mind that there are two great objectives in our spiritual life: our relationship to God and our relationship with our neighbor.

    Therefore, we give ourselves to Mary so that she may become fully our Mother and Mistress, and that we may become fully her child and slave. The principal and fundamental act of consecration contains our entire gift of ourselves to Mary. It concretely and effectively focuses on our own sanctification, our personal return to God through Mary. Then, we give ourselves to Mary so that she can take charge of our life in the world and the tasks that God wants us to accomplish. Henceforth she will be the principal cause (of course, always subordinate to God) of all our actions and our relationship with others, and accept us as instruments in her immaculate hands.
    We ask her to take possession of all our faculties in order to make them channels through which she can perform in souls the marvels of conversion and sanctification, and generally “crush the head of the serpent”, “vanquish all heresies in the whole world” and thus increasingly establish the “reign of the Sacred Heart of Our Lord”.




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    Re: BVM Co-Redemtrix, Co-Mediatrix
    « Reply #2 on: November 08, 2025, 06:15:59 PM »
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  • Call to combat from the Knights of Our Lady:


    When the Queen of Heaven is offended, her sons rise!


    We, the Knights of Our Lady, learn of this decision with deep sorrow and indignation.
    These titles — Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocate — are not poetic ornaments or devotional inventions: they express a theological and spiritual truth born at the foot of the Cross, where the Mother of Sorrows united herself to the sacrifice of her Son for the salvation of the world.
    An unprecedented spiritual affront
    To erase or minimize these titles is to touch the very heart of the Marian mystery.
    It is to refuse to recognize the unique place of the Virgin in the history of salvation, it is to impoverish the faith of the faithful, it is to wound the filial love of Christians towards their Mother.
    What has been conquered in the tears and blood of Golgotha cannot be erased by an administrative decree.
    Our Answer: Prayer and Spiritual Warfare
    We call on all Catholics, in France and elsewhere, to stand up inwardly, in fidelity and prayer.
    From November 8 to December 7, the eve of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, we invite everyone to:
    – Recite the Litany of the Blessed Virgin every day,
    – Add the prayer of the "Memorare" of Saint Bernard as well as the "Salve Regina",
    – To offer penances and sacrifices to obtain from Heaven the reparation of this offense.
    No lukewarmness in the battle for Mary
    We are not polemicists: we are sons wounded by the injustice done to their Mother.
    We have a duty to honor and defend the Truth.
    For if we remained silent while Notre-Dame was stripped of its titles, then our faith would be nothing more than a veneer without courage.
    For the honor of the Mother of God
    Let everyone remember:
    Mary is not an abstract figure or a distant symbol. She is the Woman announced in Genesis, the one who crushes the serpent's head, the Queen of Heaven to whom Christ entrusted the maternal care of men.
    We cannot allow His Name to be diminished without responding with our faithfulness, prayer, and fervor.
    On my knees to pray, standing to defend
    May the fire of holy wrath impel us to conversion, to penance and to the joyful and determined proclamation of the truth.
    May the Church rediscover the pride of naming Mary as Heaven has crowned her:
    Mother of God, Mediatrix of all graces, Co-redemptrix and Queen of Heaven.
    Order of the Knights of Our Lady, Observance of the Holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary
    Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam et in Honorem Beatae Mariae Virginis.





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    Re: BVM Co-Redemtrix, Co-Mediatrix
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  • Below is an SSPX website article from 2019. Yet has anyone seen where they have condemned this new attack on Our Lady by the New Church? The priest who gave the sermon this morning at the local SSPX lamented this new development and said we must have the courage of martyrs in defending the Faith. Yet he did not once mention the villains in Rome who are doing this or the conclusions we must draw about them. He didn't even mention Rome, or the Pope, or the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith. Extraordinary! The courage of martyrs?

    Yes, I remember the days when the SSPX was YES,YES/NO,NO. We began attending SSPX Masses in 1978, our traditional group asked them to come to Des Moines, IA and Fr. Cekada, Jenkins and Dolan came once a month to say Mass at a private house, then at a military base chapel and eventually our small group purchased the chapel in Beach Iowa and Fr. (later +) Dolan became the regular priest there.
     
    The SSPX functions as an Indult now, No different from the others. They were fully regularized in Argentina in 2015  though denied by +Fellay who insisted it was only for Argentina.
     
    When the news came out, Rorate Caeli/Adelante laFe hired an Argentina lawyer to do a legal analysis of the implications of the regularization which Adelante la Fe published. I will provide a copy in the original Spanish because it's more clear but the lawyer concludes that "it is impossible to be regularized in Argentina and not in the rest of the world" it also says that it constituted a sort of  "back door entrance" into the (Modernist)  Church
    and that such recognition would not be possible without the agreement and authorization of Menzingen (and I will add, the signing of the infamous "Doctrinal Preamble" rejected by ABL which consists of the Modernist  "Profession of faith" and "Oath of fidelity to the Pope").

    I should bring up the fact that the new SSPX leadership is Argentinian. Bishop de Galarreta is Argentinian, Fr. Pagliariani is an Italian Argentinian and Fr. Buchacourt has been in Argentina for along time. I believe they were chosen and ratified by the Vatican precisely because they understand the implications of such recognition.
     
    When you click the link below, it gives you the option to translate but it has to be done immediately. In fact I will copy /paste the analysis for the record. The "ACTUALIZACIÓN" at the end isan additional clarification.
    https://adelantelafe.com/analisis-juridico-del-reconocimiento-de-la-fsspx-en-argentina-un-avance-mas-alla-de-benedicto-xvi/
     



    Análisis jurídico del reconocimiento de la FSSPX en Argentina (actualizado)

    La noticia del reconocimiento, por parte la Secretaría de Cultos de la Nación Argentina, de la Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pio X como parte de la Iglesia Católica Romana es un acto jurídico muy importante por las implicancias que conlleva.
    Este análisis en modo alguno se refiere a las cuestiones que se suscitaron desde las ordenaciones de cuatro Obispos por Monseñor Lefevbre, ni a los posteriores acercamientos con la Santa Sede, ni a todas las cuestiones que se han debatido en estas décadas acerca de la inserción de la FSSPX en la Iglesia Católica Apostólica Romana. Es un estricto análisis jurídico de la Resolución de la Secretaría de Cultos dependiente del Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto de la República Argentina. Trataré de ser lo más esquemático, claro y sintético posible.

    1) En la legislación interna de la Argentina la Iglesia Católica tiene un estatus muy particular: es una Persona Jurídica de Derecho Público  según el art. 33 del Código Civil, naturaleza jurídica que comparte con el estado nacional, las provincias, los municipios y las entidades autárquicas. Es la única persona jurídica de derecho público no estatal, gozando de una jerarquía mayor a cualquier asociación o sociedad que puedan imaginarse (bancos, multinacionales, clubes de fútbol, etc.).

    2) Constitucionalmente el estado argentino está obligado al sostenimiento del Culto Católico Apostólico Romano y constituye la religión oficial del país, lo que implica que los Obispos argentinos gocen de una remuneración idéntica a la de un juez federal, además de contar con exenciones impositivas. También existen múltiples conexiones entre Estado e Iglesia, como capellanías en el ejército, policía, servicio penitenciario y policías provinciales que son solventadas por el estado, revistiendo los sacerdotes categorías de agentes de la Administración Pública (nacional, provincial o municipal, según el caso).

    3) La Santa Sede y la Nación Argentina tienen un Concordato aprobado por Ley 17032 que regula las relaciones internacionales entre ambos estados, constituyendo una fuente de derecho público importante. De ese concordato surge la ley 24.483, que en su art.1° concede la personalidad jurídica civil a los Institutos de Vida Consagrada y Sociedades de Vida Apostólica que gocen de personalidad jurídica pública en la Iglesia Católica, con su sola inscripción en un registro que llevará el Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto.

    4) Con fundamento en la Ley 24.483 y su decreto reglamentario 491 el Arzobispo de Buenos Aires Mario Aurelio Cardenal POLI solicita que la Fraternidad Sacerdotal San Pio X sea encuadrada en los términos de dicha ley y se le conceda el reconocimiento, por parte del estado argentino, como Instituto de Vida Consagrada. La solicitud data del 23 de febrero de 2015 y la Resolución 25/15 que la concede está fechada el 17 de marzo del mismo año, en un trámite extremadamente rápido.

    5) Según los fundamentos del decreto publicado en el Boletín Oficial de la República Argentina, en su petición el Cardenal Poli sostiene que hasta tanto la FSSPX encuentre el definitivo encuadramiento en la Iglesia Universal, sea tenida en cuenta como una Asociación de Derecho Diocesano en los términos del art.298 del Código de Derecho Canónico, y además agrega que está en proceso de formación (in fieri) como Sociedad de Vida Apostólica.

    6)Si se accede a la página oficial de la Secretaría de Cultos de Argentina existe un Registro de cultos reconocidos en el país (evangélicos, budistas, africanistas, etc.) y un Registro de Institutos de Vida Consagrada en los términos de la Ley 24483. Este registro es exclusivo para la Iglesia Católica y los formularios  (con instructivos) para su trámite  están en la web.

    7 )Para su constitución se debe acompañar, entre otras cosas, el decreto de erección de la asociación, las Constituciones, el consentimiento de la autoridad eclesiástica, la Memoria (con estructura del instituto, forma de gobierno, Autoridad suprema universal y Autoridades locales, fecha de instalación en el país, principales actividades que desarrolla), el nombramiento del Superior Mayor en Argentina, sede legal, etc. Los papeles deben ser presentados, traducidos al idioma nacional y las copias debidamente certificadas por la Nunciatura, o por la Embajada Argentina ante la Santa Sede, o por la Secretaría General de la Conferencia Episcopal Argentina, o por la Curia Diocesana competente en razón del domicilio (Buenos Aires en este caso).

    8) Como conclusión puede decirse que: a) No queda duda alguna que tanto el Cardenal Poli (como Arzobispo de Buenos Aires) como la Nación Argentina  reconocen a la FSSPX como parte integrante de la Iglesia Católica Apostólica Romana; b) De la lectura de la Resolución 25/15, de la legislación interna de la Argentina y de los formularios oficiales de la página web de la Secretaría de Cultos tampoco queda duda que el trámite cuenta con la expresa conformidad de la FSSPX, única que puede brindar todos y cada uno de los requisitos burocráticos exigidos, principalmente las constituciones, forma de gobierno y autoridades; c )La FSSPX quedó registrado con el n°381 entre los Institutos de Vida Consagrada dependientes de la Iglesia Católica. Ninguno de los otros cultos cristianos no católicos reconocidos por la Argentina son parte de la Iglesia Católica y por tanto no gozan de los beneficios que la ley brinda a su religión oficial, más allá del tratamiento y ayudas que los gobiernos le presten para el cuмplimiento de sus fines.

    Es posible interpretar que este acto jurídico del Estado Argentino, además del valor simbólico por ser la tierra de S.S. Francisco, tiene un efecto jurídico de grandes proporciones cuyas consecuencias se extienden a la Iglesia Universal. El Cardenal Poli, Arzobispo de Buenos Aires, está otorgando, directa e indirectamente (a través del estado argentino) personería jurídica en los términos del Código de Derecho Canónico Universal.

    Reitero que esto significa un avance más allá de Benedicto XVI. Según informa ACI Prensa el 27 de junio de 2013 en su nota “Lefebvristas reafirman cisma y ponen fin al diálogo con la Iglesia Católica” el P. Lombardi (quien se remite al Papa Benedicto XVI), dijo que “mientras la Fraternidad no tenga un estatus canónico en la Iglesia sus ministros no ejercen un ministerio legítimo en ella”. Y en la misma nota se cita un comunicado de la Santa Sede de febrero de 2009 advirtió que “el levantamiento de la excomunión ha liberado a los obispos de una pena gravísima, pero no ha cambiado la situación jurídica de la Fraternidad San Pio X, que en el momento actual no goza de ningún reconocimiento canónico en la Iglesia Católica”.
    El Razonamiento Jurídico debe nutrirse de la Lógica. Una cosa no puede “ser y no ser” al mismo tiempo. La Res.25/15 del Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto de la República Argentina ha cambiado rotundamente la situación. Hoy la FSSPX –por iniciativa del Arzobispo de Buenos Aires- es una asociación de fieles en los términos del art.298 del Código de Derecho Canónico y se encuentra en camino de ser un Instituto de Vida Consagrada, gozando de pleno reconocimiento  dentro de la Iglesia Católica Apostólica Romana.
    H.T (Jurista Argentino)

    ACTUALIZACIÓN  (14/04) En Adelante la Fe hemos pedidos a este destacado jurista que hiciera una valoración de las diversas informaciones, de ambas partes, que tratan de quitar importancia a esta noticia indicando que es algo meramente «administrativo». Esta es su respuesta:
    «Luego de la noticia del reconocimiento del estado argentino a la FSSPX han salido comunicados, de uno y otro lado, que oscurecen más que aclarar.
     
    Releí las partes pertinentes del Código de Derecho Canónico y estoy más convencido aún que no hay forma de considerar a la FSSPX parte de la Iglesia en Argentina y no en el resto del mundo. Viola toda lógica jurídica.
     
    Lo de un trámite meramente administrativo -con el fin de ejercer libremente la vida apostólica- no tiene sustento alguno porque hace décadas que están en nuestro país, con seminarios, templos, escuelas y demás bienes, que bien pudieron adquirir como asociación civil sin fines de lucro. ¿Cuál es la mejora administrativa? ¿Evadir Impuesto a las Ganancias? ¿Obtener sueldos y subvenciones?
     
    Se estaría ante una gravísima situación donde no comulgan con Roma pero sí reciben los beneficios en Argentina por ser «romanos».
     
    El trámite tardó unos quince días hábiles, impropios para cualquier trámite burocrático, salvo que la presentación fuera hecha absolutamente prolija, sin faltar nada y gestionada de antemano con la autoridad. El Expediente es barra quince (/15) lo que demuestra que se inició este año y no es una mera nota de Poli acompañando un trámite del 2011, como lo afirma Agencia DICI.
     
    Es imposible que a esto se llegue sin el acuerdo de Roma y de Econe«.
     


     


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  • This is the first time I've heard that it extended to the entire world.  That's a development worthy of news so why would they keep that under wraps?  lol


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  • Is this the same translation? CI was way ahead of its time April 14, 2015 AD.!

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bombshell-a-legal-analysis-of-the-recognition-of-the-sspx/msg448418/#msg448418

    Excerpt:
    "...In conclusion we can say that: a) There is no doubt that both Cardinal Poli (as Archbishop of Buenos Aires) as much as the Argentine Nation recognize the SSPX as a constituent part of the Roman Catholic Church; b) From the reading of Resolution 25/15, of the domestic legislation of Argentina and the official forms from the website of the Ministry of Religious Affairs there is also no doubt that the process has the express agreement of the SSPX, the only one who can give each and every one of the necessary bureaucratic requirements, mainly the constitutions, governance and authorities; c) The SSPX was registered under n ° 381 between the Institutes of Consecrated Life which are dependents of the Catholic Church. ..."
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  • The recognition was public, the implications were not. I published this before, when it happened. The Legal Analysis was done by an Argrntinian lawyer hired by Rorate Caeli and Adelante la Fe. What I posted is the original release and a few hours later, the lawyer clarified the additional part with the heading ACTUALIZATION (in red letters) to better explain the implications. This was discussed on CI at the time.

    We also have the interview of Mr. James Bogle, previous head of UNA VOCE INT (who replaced Michael Davis) by Gloria TV were he assures not only that the SSPX is fully regularized but that +Fellay told him personally that he was a Judge of the Roman Rota. Mr. Bogle said that he called the Roman Rota and they confirmed it which is the reason +Fellay can judge his own priests and proudly announced it but did not tell everything, what else is new.

    Apparently, they will not announce
    the full recognition until the Prelature is announced and all infult communities corralled under it with authority to encardinate one and all. That will happen when most indults end (now under another special indult and on its last leg) so the SSPX is the only choice to eventually lead them back to the "reverent, bells and smells" Novus Ordo Mass which they accepted as the Ordinary Form.
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  • Thanks for that.