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Offline Pelly

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Is the world left without Sacraments?
« on: November 02, 2014, 02:39:38 PM »
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  • http://immaculata-one.com/section_84.html
    This site claims that NO baptisms are invalid due to being defective in intent, choosing alternative Mass sites is not an option (see this: http://immaculata-one.com/section_105.html), Popes onward from BXV are invalid, Baptism of Desire is invalid, a lot of Saints are not canonized validly, etc.
    Regarding BXV, here is an article from TIA which explains why do they deem him an anti-Pope:
    http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m008rpRatzingerBenedicts_May25.shtml
    It claims that PXI and PXII were defective, too. I can bring up some things against PXII (approval of Chinese superstitious rites to a certain degree, and the UN), but I can hardly bring up things against PXI.
    However, it forgets to mention the prophecy of St. Pius X and of the election of the next Pope.
    So, do our Trad groups violate the Law of Jurisdiction? What is true of its' claims?

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    Is the world left without Sacraments?
    « Reply #1 on: November 02, 2014, 03:07:38 PM »
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  • Immaculata One is the work of a sensationalist a la the Dimond brothers who goes by the name of "Mike4dogma".  Pay no mind.

    Where is your catechism, Pelly?  Rely on that, not the puke from some of these alleged modern "traditionalists".
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    Is the world left without Sacraments?
    « Reply #2 on: November 02, 2014, 03:14:14 PM »
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  • @Mithrandylan On what site? (BTW, I could render one of his statements on PXII invalid. He had a decree condemning Communism)
    Also, I want to know whether the disobedience of SSPX and the like have rendered them heretical or otherwise illicit.

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    Is the world left without Sacraments?
    « Reply #3 on: November 02, 2014, 04:56:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    @Mithrandylan On what site? (BTW, I could render one of his statements on PXII invalid. He had a decree condemning Communism)
    Also, I want to know whether the disobedience of SSPX and the like have rendered them heretical or otherwise illicit.


    The Immaculata site.  It's run by a sensationalist.  It's not worth the time of Catholics who are serious about learning the faith.

    Forget the SSPX.  Do you own a Baltimore Catechism?
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    Is the world left without Sacraments?
    « Reply #4 on: November 02, 2014, 05:48:37 PM »
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  • It is impossible for anyone to declare that all NO baptisms are invalid due to a defect in intent, because intent is, by definition, the interior disposition of the person imparting the sacrament.  Unless the author has the ability to read people's minds, any such claim is nonsense.  Additionally, the intent required to confer baptism is not great; all that is needed is the intent to do what the Church does.  One does not even need to know exactly what the Church does, nor does one need to believe what the Church does; it is doctrine that any living person can validly baptize.

    Once that initial claim is gone, everything else on the site is suspect at best.


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    Is the world left without Sacraments?
    « Reply #5 on: November 02, 2014, 06:38:32 PM »
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  • Once you see any sort of calumny against a pre-VII pope, (like with Immaculata and Richard Ibranyi's site, for example) avoid it like the plague. It means they have a whole host of crazy on their site.

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    Is the world left without Sacraments?
    « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2014, 03:07:29 AM »
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  • OK, you can close this thread.

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    Is the world left without Sacraments?
    « Reply #7 on: November 17, 2014, 01:41:30 AM »
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  • Just wanted to mention that I have been emailed personally by Mike4Dogma in youtube, and in another occasion I emailed him 3 times. We corresponded a few times, and that guy is beyond diabolical schismatic off the wall crazy bat stuff.

    I asked him how he can make the claims that there is not one true bishop left in the world, and keep professing the Creed. I asked him for even just one, any approved teacher of the Church. That even remotely speculates the possibility of such a position/scenario as he envisions it. Remember this guy, I believe is a real papal deposer. I have emailed many of these individuals, but if I recall correctly, he believes St. Pius X is an anti-Pope. I believe he particularly goes back to Leo XIII, not even sure why its him as many other real radical schismatics consider H.H. Leo XIII an anti-Pope due to "his liberalism", all because of his positive comment on how the United States at least does not publicly persecute and allows the faith to be preached. Unlike many other countries, where this is not even permitted, the Church is granted near 0 freedoms.

    This guy is a heretical on so many levels that its difficult for me to list everything, and he is so diabolical that I really felt like I needed to say a few words.

    The biggest dogma he denies is three of the four marks of the Church that is apostolicity, and oneness of the Church. He is also a Donatist, whereby he puts emphasis on the Holiness of the Church (ergo sinners are not "real Catholics"). This guy is your typical, More Catholic than the Pope, they are so harsh, but ironically soft on themselves. Condemn everything, even lawful things as mortally sinful. I can't imagine living with that guy, it would be a true hell on earth. Its like living in the cult of Richard Ibryani, not that I recommend anyone to watch his videos, but that guy thinks he has the authority of Moses to judge Catholics etc... He says that he wished he could have tortured Saint Thomas Aquinas himself!! Talk about textbook example of a false prophet...

    I told him that I will wait for as long as he needs to prove to me how the Church retains her mark of Apostolicity, given the non-sense he says. I told him my eternal salvation depends on it, and yet he gives me no proof? Nothing...

    Now the site has some good quotes from the Saints, and as such are to be taken independent of his own interpretations which are for obvious reasons, totally alien to the faith. Hope that helped, and yes generally I would recommend for you to start with a good catechism. After that start with the Summa of the Summa that was approved by Pope Benedict XV, it will certainly help you understand the riches of the doctrine of St. Thomas.

    To the mind that gives itself to Thomism, it dispels the darkness of error in your mind. God Bless! Been really busy, I will be later posting some updates on some other things.

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