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Offline Ursus

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Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
« on: October 17, 2014, 07:37:46 PM »
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  • Voris reports Burke publicly saying the pope is doing great harm to the church; synod was purposely set up to weaken the church; he was ousted by the pope.

    Gloves are off :popcorn:



    Offline 2Vermont

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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #1 on: October 17, 2014, 08:21:37 PM »
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  • Just saw this myself.  Wowsa.

    Things getting mighty interesting.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 09:13:49 PM »
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  • Thank you Cardinal Burke.

    It takes courage and guts to confront this alleged so called bishop of Rome.

    Offline Nickolas

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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2014, 09:23:44 PM »
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  • Oh, Oh, you mean pope Francis is causing harm in just the past two weeks?  Is this what Mr. Voris is trying to tell us with such urgency?  News break!  

    How about a news break that pope Francis is causing harm to the Church for the past 1 year and 8 months since he has been pope and for the decades before that since he was ordained along with so many liberals in addition to him?  

    You effect change by incremental moves.  Create an absolutely obsene synod, stack the deck to obtain the result that you want that proposes drastic changes, leak a few cries of alarm about the liberal moves, but the end result is to mollify folks to accept less "drastic" changes in the here and now.  After all, its much better than what could have happened.  

    Has everyone gone over to psy ops motivational influences?  It seems that the end that many want justifies the means to get there, however devious or ignorant some men seem.  Mr. Voris, you are not a newsman, but a tool being used by change agents to do the devils work.  

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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2014, 09:37:25 PM »
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  • Anyone whom still have a Catholic sense will certainly agree.


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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2014, 11:18:41 PM »
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  • If he is this outspoke right now, while he still is in charge of the A.S. , what will he do/say when he is carted off to the Knights of Malta headquarters?

    I personally don't really care, as I am a sedevacantist, but what if Cardinal Burke becomes involved with the SSPX or defies Rome more?

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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2014, 11:43:32 PM »
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  • I doubt he said that.  It's probably a mis-translation.

    They are fairly common nowadays.

    Offline TKGS

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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2014, 07:15:43 AM »
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  • I thought Michael Voris absolutely refused to condemn the pope.  He’s broken his own rule.  Will wonders never cease.  Frankly, I’m amazed that there has been the public opposition to his agenda.

    I am a little confused, though.  The headline on Voris’s website says, “Cardinal Burke: Pope is harming the Church by not making his position clear,” yet Voris says in the interview that Burke said all the problems of the synod have been engineered with the approval of Bergoglio to weaken the doctrine of the Church.  Which did he say?  Or did he say both, in which case, we still have a problem.

    As surprised as I am, it is good to hear Voris (and perhaps Burke?  Nah!) begin—and I mean, just begin—to see that there seems to be something amiss somewhere in Rome.  Truth, even just an inkling of truth, is always better than blindness.


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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #8 on: October 18, 2014, 11:31:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: tdrev123
    If he is this outspoke right now, while he still is in charge of the A.S. , what will he do/say when he is carted off to the Knights of Malta headquarters?

    I personally don't really care, as I am a sedevacantist, but what if Cardinal Burke becomes involved with the SSPX or defies Rome more?


    Then we're really in trouble.

    I've been blessed to meet priests who appear to be in the Wormwood church who slip around as "retired" and have never said the mess of montini, and really do a good work, risking much by remaining "really close to the fire" in order to try to save any poor souls left who may be able to hear the Truth (which has nothing to do with post-Pius XII Rome and "the 2nd Vatican Council").

    I actually have spoken only to one such priest (and I saw one with him); but he mentioned others. They are "retired", or otherwise playing their cards close to their chests, but apparently work tirelessly to bring the Eucharist to the Faithful, and to counsel lost sheep OUT OF the conciliar church, and never work to move up in the hierarchy. It would seem that Burke is not amongst those numbers (by def: he's a "prelate").

    Now as for if it's possible someone can be wrongly taught and take invalid 'holy orders' and move up through the ranks and then be converted to the Faith? I don't know. I'm not sure we should even ASK God to overlook broken Holy Orders and re-re-re-convert someone, to be honest. That time has come and gone, because where was Burke when Abp. Lefebvre and the Bishops were, as if it were possible, "excommunicated" from the Church? Were Burke's ears just stuffed with cotton, or his eyes blinded, as Wojtyla and Ratzinger did their convoluted deeds? Can a man who has claimed to be an apostle of God be re-re-re-RE-converted?

    In such an unprecedented time, having prayed on how to pray for such people, I believe that if Burke (or one like him) walked into a parish as a FIRST-TIMER "never heard of this Catholicism thing, I was a Jєω, will you teach me?", that would be something the Church could stand behind. Unfortunately, otherwise I fear it's dangerous to even pray "all be forgiven because Burke was brain-dead" (when he was not, in fact, in any accident of which I'm aware). Burke placed his bet and he's on the other side of the chasm. We watch Rome now as we might a soap opera, since the mystery of iniquity is like watching a train wreck in slow motion, but we have to remember that we aren't OF this world, and Burke is very "rich" (in power and state) and this may be more of what Our Lord meant when he said it's "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

    Of course I may be wrong, and probably am in many particulars, but I would be happy if Burke were to convert to Catholicism as a layperson hoping to join the Church. He might bring many with him.

    IDK; it's a pipedream, but I gues, PRAY!  :pray: :pray: :pray:
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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #9 on: October 18, 2014, 12:43:40 PM »
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  • Finally Voris is waking up!

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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #10 on: October 18, 2014, 12:51:30 PM »
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    Finally Voris is waking up!


    Actually, a friend of mine just sent me new video that Voris taped after the "Breaking News" that has been known by anyone who has ears to hear for a long time.  In the new videos, it seems Voris is taking a step back from his criticism of Bergoglio and going back to his normal state of slumber.


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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #11 on: October 18, 2014, 12:56:35 PM »
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    Finally Voris is waking up!


    Actually, a friend of mine just sent me new video that Voris taped after the "Breaking News" that has been known by anyone who has ears to hear for a long time.  In the new videos, it seems Voris is taking a step back from his criticism of Bergoglio and going back to his normal state of slumber.


    Wow...if he backs down from what he said, he should lose any credibility he had (which granted isn't much if any) from the trad community.


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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #12 on: October 18, 2014, 02:56:26 PM »
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    Finally Voris is waking up!


    Actually, a friend of mine just sent me new video that Voris taped after the "Breaking News" that has been known by anyone who has ears to hear for a long time.  In the new videos, it seems Voris is taking a step back from his criticism of Bergoglio and going back to his normal state of slumber.


    Wow...if he backs down from what he said, he should lose any credibility he had (which granted isn't much if any) from the trad community.


    He already has and I have never understood why the "trad community" ever gave him any credibility.  He's a conservative Conciliar Catholic who happens to like the pomp and ceremonies of the traditional Church though even that is a relatively recent development.  It was not too long ago that he attended the Novus Ordo exclusively.

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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #13 on: October 18, 2014, 03:02:34 PM »
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    Finally Voris is waking up!


    Actually, a friend of mine just sent me new video that Voris taped after the "Breaking News" that has been known by anyone who has ears to hear for a long time.  In the new videos, it seems Voris is taking a step back from his criticism of Bergoglio and going back to his normal state of slumber.


    Wow...if he backs down from what he said, he should lose any credibility he had (which granted isn't much if any) from the trad community.


    He already has and I have never understood why the "trad community" ever gave him any credibility.  He's a conservative Conciliar Catholic who happens to like the pomp and ceremonies of the traditional Church though even that is a relatively recent development.  It was not too long ago that he attended the Novus Ordo exclusively.


    We all have to start somewhere. It was only about 7-8 years ago that I found the true Mass and starting to become Catholic...and I am still working at it.

    Edit: I have been Catholic all my life, but was NO up until about 7-8 years ago.


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    Burke: "Pope Francis is doing great harm to the church"
    « Reply #14 on: October 18, 2014, 04:10:03 PM »
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    Finally Voris is waking up!


    Actually, a friend of mine just sent me new video that Voris taped after the "Breaking News" that has been known by anyone who has ears to hear for a long time.  In the new videos, it seems Voris is taking a step back from his criticism of Bergoglio and going back to his normal state of slumber.


    I knew this was too good to be true.  Maybe Cardinal Burke was the one to tell him to tone it down.  What a bunch of pansies.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)