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Re: Breaking: Taylor Marshall now questioning Bergoglio's legitimacy
« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2022, 08:57:24 AM »
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  • I also think it is just lazy or rushed.

    Just was a bit suspicious now that he's of Jєωιѕн descent. Could mean nothing though.
    While he's of Jєωιѕн descent, I think he's sincere in trying to be Catholic. One doesn't employ themselves in something as time-consuming as translating Catholic Latin works without some zeal for the subject.
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    « Reply #106 on: August 05, 2022, 03:34:49 AM »
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  • Good Morning Servus and DL!

    Servus, you said: “I have his translations of De Controversiis, Doctrina Christiana, etc., and it's terrible. There's loads of typos, even in the Contents page … his translation is trash but is there anything intentionally misleading?”

    DL, you said: “I honestly think it's amateurish incompetence and laziness … this book falters because Grant simply doesn't appear to be a good Latinist … I question if there's also a factor of it being an independent publisher problem … I noticed this with E. Michael Jones's book Logos Rising, where he basically abuses certain sources to the point where entire sections are basically paraphrasing other works, something that I remember being a big no-no in my college history courses.”

    Okay gentlemen, I’m going to stick with my theme of authority versus authoritarianism.

    When you really think about it, Grant and Jones are just as rogue as the SSPX or any other independent outfit. They would have the public believe that they are acting under the authority of the Church, that they are Nihil Obstated and Imprimatured and congratulated out the wazoo.

    But let’s be clear. To be “sent” by the novus ordo to do its dirty work, is not to be sent by God or by Christ.

    These authors have zero authority from the Church, zero credentials from the Church, zero accountability to the Church, and therefore zero worth, if we compare their odious slop with the limpid works of St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Alphonsus, and every other true Catholic author.

    I purchased one and only one book scrawled by EMJ, The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit. That taught me a lesson. DL, you have nailed it!!!! I remember writing papers in college and grad school. I had reams of yellow legal pads filled with quotes and jotted down thoughts. Later I took those tools to the writing process and produced quality work. You have written nothing at all, if all you produce is a regurgitation of your naked research. But that’s what Mr. Academia does. He serially commits the atrocious crime of publishing abhorrently bad writing.

    Now he would never have gotten away with this business in the days of the hierarchy. His work would have been scrutinized; and if it failed to meet the standards of the Church, he would have been told not to publish. Had he published anyway, his work would have wound up on the Index, and no one would have read it.

    But the case of Grant is more serious, even grave. He is producing works that relate directly to faith, doctrine, and morals; and which therefore come under the direct purview and authority of the hierarchy. When have the Popes and the Bishops ever allowed a self-proclaimed lay “Latin scholar” to set up his own shop and disseminate shoddy attempts that pose as authoritative translations of saintly, scholarly, and magisterial works?

    This was the sole province of priests! And they published not a word without a microscopic scrutiny of their work, without an authoritative ratification via Imprimatur. The work Grant is doing falls directly under the authority of the hierarchy to teach, defend, and preserve the Faith from all error and imprecise language.

    Grant is a rudderless, “headless” cowboy, prancing around a Wild West saloon with a gun and holster. He is his own authority, or worse – he is a tool of the false hierarchy that couldn’t care less what someone says or writes, provided he does not say or write in defense of the Faith. Grant could roll out a scroll of imprimaturs from the false hierarchy, and he would still never be anything more or less than an entrepreneur, who has sent himself.

    Because remember, for all his translations of saintly and scholarly works, there are his other convenient "ministrations" on countless blogs and podcasts, wherein he strives to keep the novus ordo propped up. I don't think it would be unreasonable to assess his "good works" to be no more than the sliver of truth necessary for evil to be palatable.   

    "Oh look! Ryan is sooooooooo traditional! Look how he pores over the old texts. Look how he studied Latin! He must then be correct about everything! Let us never even think of abandoning the novus ordo, for if we do, then we abandon the Church." 

    The same can be said of Ripperger and every other pseudo-trad wolf peddling the novus ordo in one sheep costume after another. 

    Grant is the unfruitful consequence of the authority problem. These perverse novus ordos have no ecclesiastical authority, they are not in Holy Orders, and they have defected from the Faith. But because they wear the lipstick and warpaint of affected authority, they succeed to honor, credibility, and lucrative exploits in the world. 

    The novus ordo media boys make believe they are under authority, are ratified by the “hierarchy,” are in good standing with their “local ordinary,” blah blah. They come to you with the novus ordo good housekeeping seal.

    They are rogue.

    They are incompetent.

    They are not of God. 


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    Re: Breaking: Taylor Marshall now questioning Bergoglio's legitimacy
    « Reply #107 on: August 05, 2022, 07:01:13 AM »
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  • Good Morning Servus and DL!

    Servus, you said: “I have his translations of De Controversiis, Doctrina Christiana, etc., and it's terrible. There's loads of typos, even in the Contents page … his translation is trash but is there anything intentionally misleading?”

    DL, you said: “I honestly think it's amateurish incompetence and laziness … this book falters because Grant simply doesn't appear to be a good Latinist … I question if there's also a factor of it being an independent publisher problem … I noticed this with E. Michael Jones's book Logos Rising, where he basically abuses certain sources to the point where entire sections are basically paraphrasing other works, something that I remember being a big no-no in my college history courses.”

    Okay gentlemen, I’m going to stick with my theme of authority versus authoritarianism.

    When you really think about it, Grant and Jones are just as rogue as the SSPX or any other independent outfit. They would have the public believe that they are acting under the authority of the Church, that they are Nihil Obstated and Imprimatured and congratulated out the wazoo.

    But let’s be clear. To be “sent” by the novus ordo to do its dirty work, is not to be sent by God or by Christ.

    These authors have zero authority from the Church, zero credentials from the Church, zero accountability to the Church, and therefore zero worth, if we compare their odious slop with the limpid works of St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Alphonsus, and every other true Catholic author.

    I purchased one and only one book scrawled by EMJ, The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit. That taught me a lesson. DL, you have nailed it!!!! I remember writing papers in college and grad school. I had reams of yellow legal pads filled with quotes and jotted down thoughts. Later I took those tools to the writing process and produced quality work. You have written nothing at all, if all you produce is a regurgitation of your naked research. But that’s what Mr. Academia does. He serially commits the atrocious crime of publishing abhorrently bad writing.

    Now he would never have gotten away with this business in the days of the hierarchy. His work would have been scrutinized; and if it failed to meet the standards of the Church, he would have been told not to publish. Had he published anyway, his work would have wound up on the Index, and no one would have read it.

    But the case of Grant is more serious, even grave. He is producing works that relate directly to faith, doctrine, and morals; and which therefore come under the direct purview and authority of the hierarchy. When have the Popes and the Bishops ever allowed a self-proclaimed lay “Latin scholar” to set up his own shop and disseminate shoddy attempts that pose as authoritative translations of saintly, scholarly, and magisterial works?

    This was the sole province of priests! And they published not a word without a microscopic scrutiny of their work, without an authoritative ratification via Imprimatur. The work Grant is doing falls directly under the authority of the hierarchy to teach, defend, and preserve the Faith from all error and imprecise language.

    Grant is a rudderless, “headless” cowboy, prancing around a Wild West saloon with a gun and holster. He is his own authority, or worse – he is a tool of the false hierarchy that couldn’t care less what someone says or writes, provided he does not say or write in defense of the Faith. Grant could roll out a scroll of imprimaturs from the false hierarchy, and he would still never be anything more or less than an entrepreneur, who has sent himself.

    Because remember, for all his translations of saintly and scholarly works, there are his other convenient "ministrations" on countless blogs and podcasts, wherein he strives to keep the novus ordo propped up. I don't think it would be unreasonable to assess his "good works" to be no more than the sliver of truth necessary for evil to be palatable. 

    "Oh look! Ryan is sooooooooo traditional! Look how he pores over the old texts. Look how he studied Latin! He must then be correct about everything! Let us never even think of abandoning the novus ordo, for if we do, then we abandon the Church."

    The same can be said of Ripperger and every other pseudo-trad wolf peddling the novus ordo in one sheep costume after another.

    Grant is the unfruitful consequence of the authority problem. These perverse novus ordos have no ecclesiastical authority, they are not in Holy Orders, and they have defected from the Faith. But because they wear the lipstick and warpaint of affected authority, they succeed to honor, credibility, and lucrative exploits in the world.

    The novus ordo media boys make believe they are under authority, are ratified by the “hierarchy,” are in good standing with their “local ordinary,” blah blah. They come to you with the novus ordo good housekeeping seal.

    They are rogue.

    They are incompetent.

    They are not of God.
    I agree with the gist of what you're saying, nevertheless, I wouldn't put it so forcefully.

    I am glad that someone translated much needed works from Bellarmine. If I was relying only on imprimatur and nihil obstat sources I might as well stop reading.

    These days you can hardly find any good old books in my native language, let alone theology. Modernist translations from one of the only Catholic publishing houses in the country will have to do. Don't worry, I'm aware they might've changed things but for the most part the translations are good.

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    Re: Breaking: Taylor Marshall now questioning Bergoglio's legitimacy
    « Reply #108 on: August 05, 2022, 08:42:44 AM »
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  • And why has the Church always, in practice, made exorcists specialists of sorts? We know that demons are vengeful and very subtle. One needs training before undertaking battle with them, let alone authority to do the combat.

    3. Would you agree with me that rookies and people not in the state of grace place themselves in grave danger when they call devils out to fight?


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    Re: Breaking: Taylor Marshall now questioning Bergoglio's legitimacy
    « Reply #109 on: August 05, 2022, 08:53:32 AM »
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  • Good Morning Servus and DL!

    Servus, you said: “I have his translations of De Controversiis, Doctrina Christiana, etc., and it's terrible. There's loads of typos, even in the Contents page … his translation is trash but is there anything intentionally misleading?”

    DL, you said: “I honestly think it's amateurish incompetence and laziness … this book falters because Grant simply doesn't appear to be a good Latinist … I question if there's also a factor of it being an independent publisher problem … I noticed this with E. Michael Jones's book Logos Rising, where he basically abuses certain sources to the point where entire sections are basically paraphrasing other works, something that I remember being a big no-no in my college history courses.”

    Okay gentlemen, I’m going to stick with my theme of authority versus authoritarianism.

    When you really think about it, Grant and Jones are just as rogue as the SSPX or any other independent outfit. They would have the public believe that they are acting under the authority of the Church, that they are Nihil Obstated and Imprimatured and congratulated out the wazoo.

    But let’s be clear. To be “sent” by the novus ordo to do its dirty work, is not to be sent by God or by Christ.

    These authors have zero authority from the Church, zero credentials from the Church, zero accountability to the Church, and therefore zero worth, if we compare their odious slop with the limpid works of St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Alphonsus, and every other true Catholic author.

    I purchased one and only one book scrawled by EMJ, The Jєωιѕн Revolutionary Spirit. That taught me a lesson. DL, you have nailed it!!!! I remember writing papers in college and grad school. I had reams of yellow legal pads filled with quotes and jotted down thoughts. Later I took those tools to the writing process and produced quality work. You have written nothing at all, if all you produce is a regurgitation of your naked research. But that’s what Mr. Academia does. He serially commits the atrocious crime of publishing abhorrently bad writing.

    Now he would never have gotten away with this business in the days of the hierarchy. His work would have been scrutinized; and if it failed to meet the standards of the Church, he would have been told not to publish. Had he published anyway, his work would have wound up on the Index, and no one would have read it.

    But the case of Grant is more serious, even grave. He is producing works that relate directly to faith, doctrine, and morals; and which therefore come under the direct purview and authority of the hierarchy. When have the Popes and the Bishops ever allowed a self-proclaimed lay “Latin scholar” to set up his own shop and disseminate shoddy attempts that pose as authoritative translations of saintly, scholarly, and magisterial works?

    This was the sole province of priests! And they published not a word without a microscopic scrutiny of their work, without an authoritative ratification via Imprimatur. The work Grant is doing falls directly under the authority of the hierarchy to teach, defend, and preserve the Faith from all error and imprecise language.

    Grant is a rudderless, “headless” cowboy, prancing around a Wild West saloon with a gun and holster. He is his own authority, or worse – he is a tool of the false hierarchy that couldn’t care less what someone says or writes, provided he does not say or write in defense of the Faith. Grant could roll out a scroll of imprimaturs from the false hierarchy, and he would still never be anything more or less than an entrepreneur, who has sent himself.

    Because remember, for all his translations of saintly and scholarly works, there are his other convenient "ministrations" on countless blogs and podcasts, wherein he strives to keep the novus ordo propped up. I don't think it would be unreasonable to assess his "good works" to be no more than the sliver of truth necessary for evil to be palatable. 

    "Oh look! Ryan is sooooooooo traditional! Look how he pores over the old texts. Look how he studied Latin! He must then be correct about everything! Let us never even think of abandoning the novus ordo, for if we do, then we abandon the Church."

    The same can be said of Ripperger and every other pseudo-trad wolf peddling the novus ordo in one sheep costume after another.

    Grant is the unfruitful consequence of the authority problem. These perverse novus ordos have no ecclesiastical authority, they are not in Holy Orders, and they have defected from the Faith. But because they wear the lipstick and warpaint of affected authority, they succeed to honor, credibility, and lucrative exploits in the world.

    The novus ordo media boys make believe they are under authority, are ratified by the “hierarchy,” are in good standing with their “local ordinary,” blah blah. They come to you with the novus ordo good housekeeping seal.

    They are rogue.

    They are incompetent.

    They are not of God.
    You may be right. Again, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here, as we should. But even MHFM gave a scathing critique of Grant after he refused to debate them years ago.


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    Re: Breaking: Taylor Marshall now questioning Bergoglio's legitimacy
    « Reply #110 on: August 05, 2022, 08:54:19 AM »
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    That's the exact kind of attitude that would put you in danger during an exorcism, tough guy.
    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding the profane novelties of words, and oppositions of knowledge falsely so called. [1 Tim. 6:20]

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    « Reply #111 on: August 05, 2022, 08:56:04 AM »
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  • That's the exact kind of attitude that would put you in danger during an exorcism, tough guy.

    I've already whooped Satan's azz. I don't run from that loser.
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    Re: Breaking: Taylor Marshall now questioning Bergoglio's legitimacy
    « Reply #112 on: August 05, 2022, 10:53:42 AM »
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  • You may be right. Again, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here, as we should. But even MHFM gave a scathing critique of Grant after he refused to debate them years ago.

    Let's be honest here.  Isn't that exactly how they would respond to anyone who refused to debate them?
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    Re: Breaking: Taylor Marshall now questioning Bergoglio's legitimacy
    « Reply #113 on: August 05, 2022, 12:14:10 PM »
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  • I agree with the gist of what you're saying, nevertheless, I wouldn't put it so forcefully.

    I am glad that someone translated much needed works from Bellarmine. If I was relying only on imprimatur and nihil obstat sources I might as well stop reading.

    These days you can hardly find any good old books in my native language, let alone theology. Modernist translations from one of the only Catholic publishing houses in the country will have to do. Don't worry, I'm aware they might've changed things but for the most part the translations are good.
    From the beginning of my conversion, I've always had almost a fanatical preoccupation with correct translations and Church authorization of anything I read or pray. I believe these have the anointing of the Holy Ghost on them, and that anything lacking proper authorization has a great potency for ill effects in the soul. I would rather do without a book than read an unauthorized translation.

    And the Church is no less a stickler. Consider how aggressively She has defended Her right to determine the quality of the publications of Catholics. Consider also the pristine precision of Her definitions and explanations. This is something that cannot be ignored or diminished without terrible effects.

    All this being said, the truth is that one need not much more than a solid Catholic formation to comprehend that the novus ordo is not the Roman Catholic Church.

    Where have all the theology manuals gotten any of us? The trad movement is in shambles because of rogues imposing their manifold positions as dogmas.

    More and more I realize we have to wait for God to restore proper Church authority.









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    « Reply #115 on: August 05, 2022, 12:17:08 PM »
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  • You may be right. Again, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here, as we should. But even MHFM gave a scathing critique of Grant after he refused to debate them years ago.
    Give the benefit of the doubt as to his intentions, yes. But no quarter to the damage he is wreaking everywhere. I think it's good we discussed this. 


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    « Reply #116 on: August 05, 2022, 12:51:39 PM »
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  • Let's be honest here.  Isn't that exactly how they would respond to anyone who refused to debate them?
    Hmmm....yes, yes you're right. They definitely tend to do that whenever anyone refuses a debate.
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    « Reply #117 on: August 06, 2022, 03:14:17 AM »
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  • That's the exact kind of attitude that would put you in danger during an exorcism, tough guy.

    Says the dandelion who cowers to his wife everyday. 
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    « Reply #118 on: August 06, 2022, 05:35:39 AM »
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  • Says the dandelion who cowers to his wife everyday.
    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding the profane novelties of words, and oppositions of knowledge falsely so called. [1 Tim. 6:20]

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    « Reply #119 on: August 06, 2022, 05:43:20 AM »
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  • Says the dandelion who cowers to his wife everyday.
    With all the name calling that goes on at CI, ' dandelion ' is a new one I haven't come across before!!  :laugh1::laugh2::laugh1::jester: