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Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2018, 08:46:17 AM »
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    • Any group with an agenda will spin any story to suit their agenda.  So what?  Those of us catholics whose "agenda" is the Our Lady's Fatima message (only) are interested in the truth of the fake Sr Lucy's.

    Further, the idea that Pope Paul VI had a body double is irrelevant to sedevacantism.  Either Paul VI was the pope or not.  They say he wasn't the pope, so why do they care if he had a body double?  Many presidents around the world have a body double, for security reasons...
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #31 on: August 02, 2018, 09:07:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 02, 2018, 08:46:17 AM
    Any group with an agenda will spin any story to suit their agenda.  So what?  Those of us catholics whose "agenda" is the Our Lady's Fatima message (only) are interested in the truth of the fake Sr Lucy's.

    Further, the idea that Pope Paul VI had a body double is irrelevant to sedevacantism.  Either Paul VI was the pope or not.  They say he wasn't the pope, so why do they care if he had a body double?  Many presidents around the world have a body double, for security reasons...

    What is Chojnowski's reason for doing the investigation in the first place? Isn't he a sede?

    We have Our Lady's message at Fatima regardless of whether or not there's been a fake Sr. Lucy. My concern is that the sedes are only concerned about the "real vs. fake" to suit an agenda.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #32 on: August 02, 2018, 09:34:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 02, 2018, 09:07:05 AM
    We have Our Lady's message at Fatima regardless of whether or not there's been a fake Sr. Lucy. My concern is that the sedes are only concerned about the "real vs. fake" to suit an agenda.

    Your obsession with sedevacantism is quickly turning into mental illness.  Even if you believe that the V2 Popes are legitimate, wouldn't you want to find out why they are suppressing the real Third Secret and other ancillary questions related to it?  There's the original message of Fatima, and then there are the subsequent apparitions to Sister Lucy and the Third Secret.  What Catholic wouldn't be interested in finding out the truth?  Antonio Socci is a Novus Ordite and he wrote an entire book about the suppression of the Third Secret.  So this question is hardly limited in interest and in scope to sedevacantists.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #33 on: August 02, 2018, 09:39:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Chojnowski
    2,400 Picture Comparisons

    That is roughly 50 pictures.


    Quote from: Chojnowski
    I will not yet reveal the names of the investigators, the names of the companies involved, or the names of the programs being used.

    Whatever the "comprehensive and definite report" may say, the pictures used must be published, as well as the numerical results of every single comparison.

    Otherwise the whole thing is worthless.


    Quote from: Chojnowski
    sophisticated software technicians

    work for money to please their customers.


    I won't trust any report, if  I can't compare their machine-comparison-results with my own human assessment.

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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #34 on: August 02, 2018, 10:01:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on August 02, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
    work for money to please their customers.

    Not necessarily.  No doubt they demanded the money up front.  Companies like this lose credibility and also business longer term if they cannot be relied upon for objective truth.  We'd have to look into the company and its background.  If they do work for the justice system, for instance, then they probably have a high level of credibility that they need to maintain.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #35 on: August 02, 2018, 10:03:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on August 02, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
    Whatever the "comprehensive and definite report" may say, the pictures used must be published, as well as the numerical results of every single comparison.

    Otherwise the whole thing is worthless.

    ...

    I won't trust any report, if  I can't compare their machine-comparison-results with my own human assessment.

    radtradthomist.chojnowski.me

    He says that the full comprehensive report will be released.  As for trusting it, if people have expertise in the area that has a high degree of credibility, then I'll take their results over my own amateur assessment.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #36 on: August 02, 2018, 10:20:47 AM »
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    • The strategy of the new-church is to completely ignore these findings.  And any mentioned would be labeled as
    conspiracy theory. They have the majority and we are a small minority.
    In my local novus order church you have to be a senior citizen to have any knowledge of Fatima.
    In the so called Catechism that they teach to the children is more concerned about social issues such as
    resettling migrants whom are mostly all Muslims, and Americans that are in need take a back seat.
    One time I tried to donate a catechism that taught the rudimentary of the Catholic Faith in which we all to
    believe to be saved. I was told that we do not teach that anymore.
    All I can advise is in small groups Fatima Message will survived. Just save yourselves, your Family, and the people
    around you whom believe that same as you do. 
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #37 on: August 02, 2018, 10:28:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on August 02, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
    That is roughly 50 pictures.


    Whatever the "comprehensive and definite report" may say, the pictures used must be published, as well as the numerical results of every single comparison.

    Otherwise the whole thing is worthless.


    work for money to please their customers.


    I won't trust any report, if  I can't compare their machine-comparison-results with my own human assessment.

    radtradthomist.chojnowski.me

    I agree that we should be able to use our own human assessment. After all, that's what the supposed professional investigators are using too. They still have to use human assessment.

    I have to wonder if this type of result can be used in, say, a court of law in order to prove absolutely that a person is or isn't who they were purported to be. Or is it just considered evidence?

    That being said, it is possible of course that there's been a fake sister Lucy presented as the real Sr. Lucy. But whichever it is, we still have to be mindful of not being too sidetracked by issues that won't really change anything. We still have to do as Our Lady requested - to offer prayer and penance, especially for sinners, and that should include (IMO) the Modernist sect that currently occupies the Church.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #38 on: August 02, 2018, 10:51:26 AM »
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    What is Chojnowski's reason for doing the investigation in the first place? Isn't he a sede?
    Who gives a crap?  Why are you so scared of sedes?  Just ignore them.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #39 on: August 02, 2018, 11:16:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 02, 2018, 10:51:26 AM
    Who gives a crap?  Why are you so scared of sedes?  Just ignore them.

    I'm allowed to voice my concerns here, Pax. If you don't like it, just ignore me. 
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #40 on: August 02, 2018, 11:57:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 02, 2018, 10:03:01 AM
    He says that the full comprehensive report will be released.  As for trusting it, if people have expertise in the area that has a high degree of credibility, then I'll take their results over my own amateur assessment.

    In hard science results must be reproducible to enable verification by other experts. Data, methods and algorithms have to be published. As long as these aren't published, the conclusions remain dubious. Trust in the conclusions (and not authorities) begins, after independent verifications are available.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #41 on: August 02, 2018, 12:22:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on August 02, 2018, 11:57:05 AM
    In hard science results must be reproducible to enable verification by other experts. Data, methods and algorithms have to be published. As long as these aren't published, the conclusions remain dubious. 

    I'm sure that their methods are based on known and trusted algorithms, and the application thereof will be indicated in the final report.  You shoot from the hip way too early, which suggests that you have some emotional problem with the conclusion.  Wait til the report comes out before running your (virtual) mouth.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #42 on: August 02, 2018, 12:46:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 02, 2018, 12:22:25 PM
    I'm sure that their methods are based on known and trusted algorithms, and the application thereof will be indicated in the final report.  You shoot from the hip way too early, which suggests that you have some emotional problem with the conclusion.  Wait til the report comes out before running your (virtual) mouth.

    I didn't shoot at all. I just explained the way I deal with stuff like this.

    Rather, you shoot from the hip now about properties of the report and about me.

    I think it is highly probable that there was a fake sister Lúcia. Also, in case that could be proven beyond reasonable doubt, it would be valuable to know the fact. On the other hand, in my view the true message of Fátima does not depend on such questions and considerations.


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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #43 on: August 02, 2018, 01:20:40 PM »
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    I'm allowed to voice my concerns here, Pax. If you don't like it, just ignore me. 
    Not trying to stop you, just trying to moderate you.
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    Re: Breaking: Sister Lucy Facial Recognition Analysis to be Done Tomorrow June 28th
    « Reply #44 on: August 02, 2018, 02:06:31 PM »
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    • No one goes through all of this work in order to not reveal every detail of the study. This is BIG!
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