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Tornielli: "Fellay's response has arrived; it is positive"


Just mentioned by Andrea Tornielli for La Stampa:

 


Lefebvrists: the positive response has arrived

17.09.2012 (1900 GMT - 2100 Rome)


 

The Superior of the Society of Saint Pius X has signed the doctrinal preamble proposed by the Holy See, even if with some slight modifications


 

ANDREA TORNIELLI

CITTÀ DEL VATICANO

The response of the Society of Saint Pius X has arrived in the Vatican and it is positive: according to the informal information gathered by Vatican Insider, Bishop Bernard Fellay would have signed the doctrinal preamble that the Holy See had proposed last September as a condition to reach full communion and canonical regularization.

An official confirmation of the received response should take place in the next few hours. From what has been learned, the text of the preamble sent by Fellay proposed some non-substantial modifications regarding the version delivered by the Vatican authorities: as it may be recalled, the same Ecclesia Dei Commission had not willed to make the docuмent (of [only] two, yet complex, pages) public, precisely because the possibility remained of introducing eventual small modifications which would not, nonetheless, distort its meaning.

The preamble contains, subtantially, the "professio fidei", the profession of faith [Rorate note 1] required of those who are put in charge of an ecclesiastical position. And it thus establishes a "religious submission of will and intellect" be given to the teachings that the Pope and the College of Bishops "enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium", even if not proclaimed and defined in a dogmatic sense, as in the case of the greater part of the magisterial docuмents. The Holy See has mentioned repeatedly to her partners in the Society of Saint Pius X that signing the doctrinal preamble would not mean putting and end "to the legitimate discussion, study, and theological explanations of specific expressions or formulations present in the docuмents of the Second Vatican Council."

The text of the preamble, with the modifications proposed by Fellay, and signed by him as Superior of the Society of Saint Pius X, will be presented to Benedict XVI, who, on the day following his 85th birthday and on the even of the seventh anniversary of his election, receives a positive response from the Lefebvrists. A response long expected and desired by him, who, in the next few weeks, will put an end to the wound opened in 1988 with the illegitimate episcopal ordinations celebrated by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

It is not ruled out that Fellay's response be examined by the Cardinals of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in the next "Feria Quarta" [Wednesday] meeting, which should take place in the first half of May. Meanwhile, some further weeks will be needed so that a canonical arrangement can be established: the most probable proposal is that of establishing a "personal prelature", a legal figure introduced in the Code of Canon Law in 1983 [Rorate note 2] and up to now used only by Opus Dei. The prelate depends directly of the Holy See. The Society of Saint Pius X will continue to celebrate Mass according to the ancient Missal, and to form its priests in its seminaries. [Source, in Italian]

Rorate note 1: Profession of faith, motu proprio Ad tuendam fidem, and CDF Doctrinal Commentary (1998)
 Rorate note 2: actually first mentioned in an official ecclesial text in the very relevant n. 10 of the Decree on the Ministry and Life of Priests of the Second Vatican Council, Presbyterorum Ordinis: "Present norms of incardination and excardination should be so revised that, while this ancient institution still remains intact, they will better correspond to today's pastoral needs. Where a real apostolic spirit requires it, not only should a better distribution of priests be brought about but there should also be favored such particular pastoral works as are necessary in any region or nation anywhere on earth. To accomplish this purpose there should be set up international seminaries, special personal dioceses or prelatures (vicariates), and so forth, by means of which, according to their particular statutes and always saving the right of bishops, priests may be trained and incardinated for the good of the whole Church."

Sorry John Grace, I wasn't aware that you posted it. Though, I think it deserves its own thread anyway.

Sorry John Grace, I wasn't aware that you posted it. Though, I think it deserves its own thread anyway.

Don't despair. Those who want to sell out the SSPX will be resisted. These are our chapels and Mass centre's. We need to ask our priests where they stand.

Well, I wonder how many will resist.  I, for one, may be without the sacraments in the near future.  Tornielli estimates that 25% of the FSSPX will not accept such a deal, including the three bishops besides Fellay.  But who can tell, with any confidence, who will go where and how they will do so ?

The circuмstances of this are otherwise really interesting.  Ratzinger just sent a reprimand to the Austrians for disputing his authority on certain questions, and the neo-cons in the US are prepped to attack the SSPX over the question of religious liberty.  Meanwhile, the man in the white cassock recently achieved eighty-five years and is apparently ailing.  Perhaps there will be a conclave soon, and who knows what could happen then ?  Perhaps somebody so flamboyantly heretical will be elected such that nobody who claims to be an orthodox Catholic could accept him, and the hard questions will finally be faced by the many.  That is my hope.  Even the NO "episcopate" surely cannot earnestly believe that the "embrace of the world" has made the world more inclined to embrace the Faith... or can they ?  The truth is often stranger than the strangeness one suspected.

Just look at how those Fellayites are treating Dumb Ox over on Ignis Ardens. All of a sudden a man who wants to continue the apostolate of the Archbishop is mocked.They accuse him of spreading rumours when he writes what is fact

Here in Ireland the faithful oppose a sell out.

The other three bishops recently sent to Bishop Fellay a joint letter expressing their total opposition to any deal and their complete unity of thought and action in the matter.

This stands in our favour as does fact majority of District Superiors oppose a sell out. Also faithful who finance chapels oppose a sell out.

I will stay away from a Society chapel which supports an "agreement".Priests will have to decide which side they are on.

Dumb Ox also posted a very pertinent point. I remember making the point on this forum that Bishop Fellay only gave the parts he wanted them to know about.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9154

Dear MiserereMeiDeus,

None of the three bishops, nor the Rectors of Seminaries, nor District Superiors were actually given the text of the so-called Doctrinal Preamble to read.

They only know of what it consists by way of their own written and mental notes from the Albano meeting where a text was read to them by Bishop Fellay.

We know what was read to them, of what the so-called Doctrinal Premable consists of and demands, thanks to reports concerning its content, that can still be found on the internet, issued by Fr. Morgan and Fr. Bouchacourt.

Whether everything contained in the so-called Doctrinal Preamble was actually read to them or not, we and they just do not know.

On a serious note we should pray or sing.Something we will all agree on.

Sancte Pie Decime