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Offline Matthew

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Bp. Williamson on Pascendi
« on: July 29, 2007, 09:22:00 PM »

Bp. Williamson on Pascendi
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 09:16:03 AM »
 Bp. Williamson excuses the pope and his cardinals, arguing that they can not help themselves because they are basically insane, and separated from objective reality.  Since these men are so disoriented, through really no fault of their own, (if I understand Williamson's reasoning),  we can go on believing that they are still cardinals, bishops and pope.  He seems to imply that if the pope, the bishops and the cardinals were perceived to be deliberately opposing and denying objective truth, they might, then, lose their "exalted position(s)" in his estimation.
But since they are not "aware that they are not sane," we continue to honor them in those postions, and are instructed to act in charitable obedience towards them.   Yet, not really.  Because Bp. Williamson declares that he will not "associate" with the Conciliar church, as long as it continues in its subjective insanity.  Go figure!
I'm not sure I can cut church leaders, including the Pope, as much slack as Bp. Williamson does.  I am not persuaded that a number of these high churchmen have actually taken leave of their senses.  Rather, I consider them to be conscious, deliberate revolutionaries, bent upon the destruction of Holy Mother Church.  Many of them, including maybe even the Pope, are at least as sane as Luther, Calvin and Marx.  
We may conclude that the Pope acts sincerely (though insanely), in good faith,according to his own lights  But let me serve up one example which seem to put to put the lie to this perception, at least on some level:
 Cardinal Ratzinger read the Third Secret.  He knows exactly what Sr. Lucia wrote and what the true contents of that Secret are.  Yet, he was one of the chief promoters of the so-called "Secret," published in June of 2000.  We know now, beyond reasonable doubt, that Bertone and Ratzinger deliberately held back the full truth of it.  In other words, they lied!  The Pope, to this day, as touching the Third Secret, knows what the "objective" truth is.  Or are we to believe, as a practical application of Bp. Williamson's argument might suggest, that the contents of the Third Secret have undergone some kind of transmogrification in the pope's subjectively delusional mind?    
 


Offline gladius_veritatis

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Bp. Williamson on Pascendi
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 11:59:19 AM »
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In other words, they lied!...

...Or are we to believe, as a practical application of Bp. Williamson's argument might suggest, that the contents of the Third Secret have undergone some kind of transmogrification in the pope's subjectively delusional mind?


Maybe the deal is that since they are too insane to know the truth, they cannot actually be aware that they are lying?

Bp. Williamson on Pascendi
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 01:15:31 PM »
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Bp. Williamson on Pascendi
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 04:02:31 PM »
Insane people can put care into things still. They may not realize their care is advancing against good though. It would probably seem more practical to one who is actually supporting causes against the Church if there is more expediency with not having conflict with the modern world as opposed to being martyred and risking turmoil that would be inevitable if the Church were ever to be restored at this point. Leaders can be weak too. For one thing, there does not have to be a massive active compaign necessarily to impose modernism in the Church. All that could be needed simply is permissiveness for damage to be done.