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Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2023, 06:15:08 AM »
And here I was thinking that this thread might actually contain something interesting.
I thought it was going to be that public announcement we've all been waiting for.....

Offline Matthew

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Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2023, 07:10:18 AM »
What kind of clickbait is this? You're trolling the sedevacantists, Texana. You might be excited about this or that line from his sermon, but those who know the bishop better know that it's nothing new. See CentroAmerica's response.


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Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2023, 07:15:06 AM »
This isn’t that huge of a revelation. Bishop Fellay said almost exactly that 10 years ago in a newsletter and was later accused of being a sedevacantist by Fr. Pfeiffer. Bishop Fellay was even a bit more precise. But recalling from memory he said one day it may be determined that Francis never was pope at all. And several more things.

Remember that when Bishop Williamson met with Fr. Gruner in Canada seven years ago or so, he also gave credence to the “Benedict is the true pope” group. There are other videos as well where Bishop Williamson casts doubts on the papacy of Francis long ago. I compiled one somewhere on one of my accounts for youtube years ago. Bishop Williamson has also publicly revealed that he regards the Thuc consecrations as valid.

All these facts slam in the face of the resistance folks who like to promote a position that you are not even allowed to think in your mind privately any doubt regarding the papacy of Francis. I believe Sean Johnson was one of those crowd who used the universal acceptance argument and held it to be objectively sinful to doubt the papacy of Francis (or schismatic). And there are plenty more layfolks in R and R camps who hold wild ideas about the papacy. Brazilian resistance laity have asserted with me that if the Dalai Lama were to be elected from a conclave, I would have to accept him as my pope (something I find which favors the religious indifferentism of masonry).

So no I do not see this as a Christmas miracle. Bishop Williamson has held this view publicly for nearly a decade and is a lot softer on sedevacantists than the laity who claim to follow him.

Yeah... here is my response.

Also, my position on the Pope question is +ABL's position. And yes, that's a lot "softer" on Sedevacantism and similar positions than the position held by some radical "Sedeplenists" who permit no doubts.

There are things we know with certainty, and things we don't. We have to be very precise and very accurate when it comes to what we accept and reject. Anything that is a possibility, even a remote possibility, we must leave the door open. That's how you avoid making huge retractions, recantings, posting in your sigline, "I repent of anything I've ever said against the Catholic Faith", etc.

I am all for apologizing when I'm wrong, and I have enough humility (scraped from the sides of the peanut butter jar) to do so, but I prefer to not be wrong in the first place. And if I merely didn't possess all the facts, that's not the same as PUSHING something that was wrong. When something is doubtful or "in play", one should admit that. For starters, you don't uncharitably smash the other side just for being on the other side.

That's how you live with no regrets. See, I won't be making any major apologies in the future. That's because I have nothing to apologize for. That doesn't mean I know everything. It means I'm of good will. There's a difference.

Offline TheRealMcCoy

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Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2023, 08:31:43 AM »
Can someone explain to me why Bergoglio is pope?

Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2023, 09:42:54 AM »
Can someone explain to me why Bergoglio is pope?

This is the best question I've heard in a long time.  Someone please respond.