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Offline Texana

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Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
« on: December 24, 2023, 09:02:35 PM »
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  • A Christmas gift from His Excellency in his sermon for the Fourth Sunday of Advent!  Please pay special attention to his comments about the papacy starting at 29:20.



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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #1 on: December 24, 2023, 09:41:50 PM »
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  • So Bergoglio, who is "so unfit to be pope and maybe not even pope depending on how one judges the manner in which he was elected", might not be pope because of the way he was elected.  Got it.

    Should we concern ourselves with his apostasy as that too is a small problem?



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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #2 on: December 25, 2023, 05:26:01 AM »
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  • This isn’t that huge of a revelation. Bishop Fellay said almost exactly that 10 years ago in a newsletter and was later accused of being a sedevacantist by Fr. Pfeiffer. Bishop Fellay was even a bit more precise. But recalling from memory he said one day it may be determined that Francis never was pope at all. And several more things. 

    Remember that when Bishop Williamson met with Fr. Gruner in Canada seven years ago or so, he also gave credence to the “Benedict is the true pope” group. There are other videos as well where Bishop Williamson casts doubts on the papacy of Francis long ago. I compiled one somewhere on one of my accounts for youtube years ago. Bishop Williamson has also publicly revealed that he regards the Thuc consecrations as valid. 

    All these facts slam in the face of the resistance folks who like to promote a position that you are not even allowed to think in your mind privately any doubt regarding the papacy of Francis. I believe Sean Johnson was one of those crowd who used the universal acceptance argument and held it to be objectively sinful to doubt the papacy of Francis (or schismatic). And there are plenty more layfolks in R and R camps who hold wild ideas about the papacy. Brazilian resistance laity have asserted with me that if the Dalai Lama were to be elected from a conclave, I would have to accept him as my pope (something I find which favors the religious indifferentism of masonry). 

    So no I do not see this as a Christmas miracle. Bishop Williamson has held this view publicly for nearly a decade and is a lot softer on sedevacantists than the laity who claim to follow him. 
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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #3 on: December 25, 2023, 05:42:19 AM »
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  • And here I was thinking that this thread might actually contain something interesting.

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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #4 on: December 25, 2023, 05:53:26 AM »
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  • I didn’t watch it, but has he made any statement regarding Bergoglio’s homo doctrine? 
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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #5 on: December 25, 2023, 06:15:08 AM »
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  • And here I was thinking that this thread might actually contain something interesting.
    I thought it was going to be that public announcement we've all been waiting for.....

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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #6 on: December 25, 2023, 07:10:18 AM »
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  • What kind of clickbait is this? You're trolling the sedevacantists, Texana. You might be excited about this or that line from his sermon, but those who know the bishop better know that it's nothing new. See CentroAmerica's response.
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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #7 on: December 25, 2023, 07:15:06 AM »
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  • This isn’t that huge of a revelation. Bishop Fellay said almost exactly that 10 years ago in a newsletter and was later accused of being a sedevacantist by Fr. Pfeiffer. Bishop Fellay was even a bit more precise. But recalling from memory he said one day it may be determined that Francis never was pope at all. And several more things.

    Remember that when Bishop Williamson met with Fr. Gruner in Canada seven years ago or so, he also gave credence to the “Benedict is the true pope” group. There are other videos as well where Bishop Williamson casts doubts on the papacy of Francis long ago. I compiled one somewhere on one of my accounts for youtube years ago. Bishop Williamson has also publicly revealed that he regards the Thuc consecrations as valid.

    All these facts slam in the face of the resistance folks who like to promote a position that you are not even allowed to think in your mind privately any doubt regarding the papacy of Francis. I believe Sean Johnson was one of those crowd who used the universal acceptance argument and held it to be objectively sinful to doubt the papacy of Francis (or schismatic). And there are plenty more layfolks in R and R camps who hold wild ideas about the papacy. Brazilian resistance laity have asserted with me that if the Dalai Lama were to be elected from a conclave, I would have to accept him as my pope (something I find which favors the religious indifferentism of masonry).

    So no I do not see this as a Christmas miracle. Bishop Williamson has held this view publicly for nearly a decade and is a lot softer on sedevacantists than the laity who claim to follow him.

    Yeah... here is my response.

    Also, my position on the Pope question is +ABL's position. And yes, that's a lot "softer" on Sedevacantism and similar positions than the position held by some radical "Sedeplenists" who permit no doubts.

    There are things we know with certainty, and things we don't. We have to be very precise and very accurate when it comes to what we accept and reject. Anything that is a possibility, even a remote possibility, we must leave the door open. That's how you avoid making huge retractions, recantings, posting in your sigline, "I repent of anything I've ever said against the Catholic Faith", etc.

    I am all for apologizing when I'm wrong, and I have enough humility (scraped from the sides of the peanut butter jar) to do so, but I prefer to not be wrong in the first place. And if I merely didn't possess all the facts, that's not the same as PUSHING something that was wrong. When something is doubtful or "in play", one should admit that. For starters, you don't uncharitably smash the other side just for being on the other side.

    That's how you live with no regrets. See, I won't be making any major apologies in the future. That's because I have nothing to apologize for. That doesn't mean I know everything. It means I'm of good will. There's a difference.
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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #8 on: December 25, 2023, 08:31:43 AM »
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  • Can someone explain to me why Bergoglio is pope?

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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #9 on: December 25, 2023, 09:42:54 AM »
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  • Can someone explain to me why Bergoglio is pope?

    This is the best question I've heard in a long time.  Someone please respond.

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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #10 on: December 25, 2023, 09:58:04 AM »
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  • Can someone explain to me why Bergoglio is pope?
    Because Cardinal McCarrick and the St. Gallen Mafia selected him to be pope?


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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #11 on: December 25, 2023, 11:12:12 AM »
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  • Can someone explain to me why Bergoglio is pope?
    Because God allowed it? Because the world deserves such a pope? All authority comes from above. Pope Francis doesn't have to abuse his authority. Surely someone who holds that position in the church has at least initially, if not continually received inspiration from God to do good, yet that man rejects it. Surely Francis has some inkling that what he is doing is controversial and against Church teaching. He could choose to do good, or at least no more evil. Is there any comparison to the captivity of the Hebrews regarding Pharao, or a Babylonian king? What's that scripture quote: I will strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered?

    Is it sufficient in our case to accept that we don't know regarding whether Francis is pope or not? As long as we try to do our part to remedy the situation according to out state in life?

    I heard Cardinal Ratzinger said Vatican II is a contra syllabus of errors. If he said that, surely him making such a comment and what he did later could be formulated into proof of Formal Heresy.

    There are things we know with certainty, and things we don't. We have to be very precise and very accurate when it comes to what we accept and reject. Anything that is a possibility, even a remote possibility, we must leave the door open. That's how you avoid making huge retractions, recantings, posting in your sigline, "I repent of anything I've ever said against the Catholic Faith", etc.

    I am all for apologizing when I'm wrong, and I have enough humility (scraped from the sides of the peanut butter jar) to do so, but I prefer to not be wrong in the first place. And if I merely didn't possess all the facts, that's not the same as PUSHING something that was wrong. When something is doubtful or "in play", one should admit that. For starters, you don't uncharitably smash the other side just for being on the other side.

    That's how you live with no regrets. See, I won't be making any major apologies in the future. That's because I have nothing to apologize for. That doesn't mean I know everything. It means I'm of good will. There's a difference.
    Does this also apply to the shape of the earth?
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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #12 on: December 25, 2023, 01:20:32 PM »
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  • Because God allowed it? Because the world deserves such a pope? All authority comes from above. Pope Francis doesn't have to abuse his authority. Surely someone who holds that position in the church has at least initially, if not continually received inspiration from God to do good, yet that man rejects it. Surely Francis has some inkling that what he is doing is controversial and against Church teaching. He could choose to do good, or at least no more evil. Is there any comparison to the captivity of the Hebrews regarding Pharao, or a Babylonian king? What's that scripture quote: I will strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered?

    Is it sufficient in our case to accept that we don't know regarding whether Francis is pope or not? As long as we try to do our part to remedy the situation according to out state in life?

    I heard Cardinal Ratzinger said Vatican II is a contra syllabus of errors. If he said that, surely him making such a comment and what he did later could be formulated into proof of Formal Heresy.
    Does this also apply to the shape of the earth?
    Let me clarify...anyone please state the reasons that you believe Bergoglio is pope. Convince me, if you will. 

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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #13 on: December 25, 2023, 04:01:09 PM »
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  • ".....depending on how one judges the manner in which he was elected."

    Bishop Williamson is hinting, whether knowingly or not, at the root of the problem here, and that is that Jorge Bergoglio was "elected" by the cardinals while there was a pope, Joseph Ratzinger, still occupying the Throne of Peter.  However, if it can be demonstrated with sufficient evidence that Jorge Bergoglio was a public manifest formal heretic BEFORE his "election", then that would be the a priori cause (reference cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio) of his not being pope.

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    Re: Bp. Williamson's Christmas Miracle?
    « Reply #14 on: December 25, 2023, 05:15:09 PM »
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  • ".....depending on how one judges the manner in which he was elected."

    Bishop Williamson is hinting, whether knowingly or not, at the root of the problem here, and that is that Jorge Bergoglio was "elected" by the cardinals while there was a pope, Joseph Ratzinger, still occupying the Throne of Peter.  However, if it can be demonstrated with sufficient evidence that Jorge Bergoglio was a public manifest formal heretic BEFORE his "election", then that would be the a priori cause (reference cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio) of his not being pope.

    It still boggles my mind how Ratzinger defenders don’t realize he was just as heretical as Bergoglio. ::)
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