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Offline Matthew

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Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
« Reply #115 on: July 09, 2024, 02:18:48 AM »
How many priests do you think he ordained?  How many confirmations did he do?  How many of them actually care about his new view?  Yes at some point everything should be rectified, but where do you start when you spent 50 years in the dark.

That was my point. It got me thinking, which led to my above posts.

When a person has spent 50 years in the Novus Ordo, how does one "make it right"? You're basically talking about Trad-smacking or let's say "Promoting the Traditional cause" in the most effective, most efficient way. That seems to be precisely what +Vigano is doing.

He has X years left to wake up or "reach" the maximum number of people. 

To those of you who are still quite against +Vigano --
Are you saying you'd go about achieving that goal differently than the course +Vigano is pursuing right now? If so, good for you. Let's just say I'm not willing to automatically assume, out of the gate, that you're smarter or wiser than he is. Hopefully that doesn't offend you, but too bad if it does.

We each have to answer to God according to OUR OWN lights and OUR OWN abilities. Which is why only God can judge +Vigano or anyone else.

Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
« Reply #116 on: July 09, 2024, 06:08:02 AM »
That was my point. It got me thinking, which led to my above posts.

When a person has spent 50 years in the Novus Ordo, how does one "make it right"? You're basically talking about Trad-smacking or let's say "Promoting the Traditional cause" in the most effective, most efficient way. That seems to be precisely what +Vigano is doing.

He has X years left to wake up or "reach" the maximum number of people.

To those of you who are still quite against +Vigano --
Are you saying you'd go about achieving that goal differently than the course +Vigano is pursuing right now? If so, good for you. Let's just say I'm not willing to automatically assume, out of the gate, that you're smarter or wiser than he is. Hopefully that doesn't offend you, but too bad if it does.

We each have to answer to God according to OUR OWN lights and OUR OWN abilities. Which is why only God can judge +Vigano or anyone else.
This is the issue.  I don't see any posters who are "still quite against Vigano".  I just see some of us not jumping on the Vigano train like you and Ladislaus (and to a somewhat lesser extent Pax Vobis due to Vigano's/+Williamson's silence on his Old Rite consecration).

Ladislaus calls us bitter assholes and you've posted that we should be ashamed for not doing the same.  Even those who have made moves towards Vigano (QVD and to a lesser extent me) have still been condemned for not going all the way.  

Any members who are truly "against Vigano" have probably chosen not to post their views given the climate here regarding Vigano.  


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Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
« Reply #117 on: July 09, 2024, 06:11:49 AM »
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When a person has spent 50 years in the Novus Ordo, how does one "make it right"? 
I don’t know the details to this answer.  But I certainly know you can’t keep silent.  You can’t pretend that your new rite Bishop-life was ok, no issues.  

The fact that some of you are still defending silence in the matter is mind-boggling.  

Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
« Reply #118 on: July 09, 2024, 06:22:58 AM »
I don’t know the details to this answer.  But I certainly know you can’t keep silent.  You can’t pretend that your new rite Bishop-life was ok, no issues. 

The fact that some of you are still defending silence in the matter is mind-boggling. 
It sure is. If we could take Vigano out of the equation and imagine it was some other very public NO cleric and that +Williamson wasn't the consecrator, I do wonder whether the reactions would be the same. I know I would still expect the consecration be made public by the former NO cleric and trad bishop.

Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
« Reply #119 on: July 09, 2024, 06:43:33 AM »
In this sermon, Bishop Williamson says that we should provide moral and material support to Archbishop Vigano.