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Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
« on: July 06, 2024, 12:14:04 PM »
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    • Kevin Davis interviews Fr. McKenna:  "Vigano Excommunicated:  Why We Should Be Cautious Rather Than Coronate" on Catholic Family Podcast, YouTube.

    Fr. McKenna asks many questions about Bp Vigano and his sincerity, including: 1) 60 years in novus ordo, 2) pleas for donations, 3) his possible conditional consecration by Bishop Williamson (16:57), 4) where is his "mea culpa"? (33:57 - 35:16).



    N.B.  Transcript available on the YouTube channel website.
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #1 on: July 06, 2024, 01:26:07 PM »
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    • "You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a slanderer, insane, and a bitter asshole… blah, blah, blah…"

    :laugh2:
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #2 on: July 06, 2024, 01:38:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on July 06, 2024, 12:14:04 PM
    Kevin Davis interviews Fr. McKenna:  "Vigano Excommunicated:  Why We Should Be Cautious Rather Than Coronate" on Catholic Family Podcast, YouTube.

    Fr. McKenna asks many questions about Bp Vigano and his sincerity, including: 1) 60 years in novus ordo, 2) pleas for donations, 3) his possible conditional consecration by Bishop Williamson (16:57), 4) where is his "mea culpa"? (33:57 - 35:16).



    N.B.  Transcript available on the YouTube channel website.

    I've never heard of Kevin Davis, or Fr. McKenna. Are they sedevacantists? I watched most of the video, but they don't say that they are, but from their comments I think they must be.

    They bring up some good points. It seems to show that not all sedevacantists are on board with +Vigano. I do agree with some of their views, but I think that Fr. McKenna is wrong about +Vigano not ever apologizing for his past association with the conciliar church and novus ordo. I think that +Vigano did address that particular issue at one point. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #3 on: July 06, 2024, 01:38:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on July 06, 2024, 01:26:07 PM
    "You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a slanderer, insane, and a bitter asshole… blah, blah, blah…"

    :laugh2:
    Dear Mark 79,

    I am just a messenger. :cowboy:  Thanks for your contributions!
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #4 on: July 07, 2024, 06:32:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 06, 2024, 01:38:10 PM
    I've never heard of Kevin Davis, or Fr. McKenna. Are they sedevacantists? I watched most of the video, but they don't say that they are, but from their comments I think they must be.

    They bring up some good points. It seems to show that not all sedevacantists are on board with +Vigano. I do agree with some of their views, but I think that Fr. McKenna is wrong about +Vigano not ever apologizing for his past association with the conciliar church and novus ordo. I think that +Vigano did address that particular issue at one point.
    Yes, they are both sedevacantist.

    You are correct.  I'm not sure exactly when that happened, but I do seem to recall that as well. I remember thinking there were a few things Fr McKenna was wrong about.

    I need to rewatch this and the Bishop Sanborn interviews (the Fr McKenna interview was very hard to hear while driving).  At this point, I find myself somewhere between the two.
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #5 on: July 07, 2024, 06:37:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on July 07, 2024, 06:32:03 AM
    Yes, they are both sedevacantist.

    You are correct.  I'm not sure exactly when that happened, but I do seem to recall that as well. I remember thinking there were a few things Fr McKenna was wrong about.

    I need to rewatch this and the Bishop Sanborn interviews.  At this point, I find myself somewhere between the two.

    Thanks for clarifying that. It is a good idea to see a variety of opinions on the issue, since it's a complicated one, IMO. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #6 on: July 07, 2024, 06:55:04 AM »
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    • Right now I see Bishop Vigano doing and saying all of the right things. I applaud him and before I’m 100% “on board” I would like to see him openly rejecting John XXIII/Paul VI through Ratzinger. I think he’s being prudent right now to not be so vocal about it, but I believe it will come in due time. 

    Even if I eventually support Bishop Vigano totally, that doesn’t mean that if I see him spreading any error in the future I will ignore it. No, if I see something wrong in the future, I will be the first to admit I was wrong and will reject him accordingly. So what? I’ve been wrong many times in the past and I will continue to make mistakes. There are several people on this forum who almost always, if not always, won’t admit that they are ever wrong.
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #7 on: July 07, 2024, 07:37:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on July 07, 2024, 06:55:04 AM
    Right now I see Bishop Vigano doing and saying all of the right things. I applaud him and before I’m 100% “on board” I would like to see him openly rejecting John XXIII/Paul VI through Ratzinger. I think he’s being prudent right now to not be so vocal about it, but I believe it will come in due time.

    I hope, rather, that he doesn't go that route and only rejects Jorge Bergoglio.
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #8 on: July 07, 2024, 07:47:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on July 07, 2024, 07:37:27 AM
    I hope, rather, that he doesn't go that route and only rejects Jorge Bergoglio.
    Whether you want to believe it or not, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger were worse than Bergoglio. 
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #9 on: July 07, 2024, 07:59:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on July 07, 2024, 07:47:22 AM
    Whether you want to believe it or not, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger were worse than Bergoglio.

    :facepalm:
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #10 on: July 07, 2024, 08:08:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on July 07, 2024, 07:47:22 AM
    Whether you want to believe it or not, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger were worse than Bergoglio.
    Come again?

    Please elaborate.
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #11 on: July 07, 2024, 08:12:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on July 07, 2024, 07:47:22 AM
    Whether you want to believe it or not, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger were worse than Bergoglio.
    YES.  They were good actors who deceived many.  They did many years of worse damage which has lead to the acceptance of Mr. Bergolio. 
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #12 on: July 07, 2024, 08:28:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on July 07, 2024, 08:08:18 AM
    Come again?

    Please elaborate.

    They were much more deceptive and cunning, whereas Mr. Bergoglio is much more obvious. Hence, many people are becoming “awake” and realizing that this man, and after some serious thought, these people, are not true popes and that cesspool, the NO church, is not the unspotted Bride of Christ.
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    Re: Bp? Vigano: Saul or Paul? Fr. McKenna Interview
    « Reply #13 on: July 07, 2024, 08:30:38 AM »
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    • I have often mentioned that if the internet were around circa 1960, these "popes" would have been outed a long time ago- they were worse than bergoglio but got the cover of controlled Vatican media.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 07, 2024, 08:35:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on July 07, 2024, 08:30:38 AM
    I have often mentioned that if the internet were around circa 1960, these "popes" would have been outed a long time ago- they were worse than bergoglio but got the cover of controlled Vatican media.

    Absolutely!
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