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Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
« on: June 07, 2024, 02:20:16 AM »
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  • I find this sermon quite thought provoking:


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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2024, 02:41:57 AM »
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  • Bp. Roy comments on and quotes from a little book by a 19th century French monk, named Pere Emmanuel-Andre.

    I found the little book here: 

    https://www.valde.com.br/public/fileadmin/user_upload/he_end-of-time_drama_-_Pe._Emmanuel-Andre.pdf

    The Bishop also discusses the deeper meaning of St. Gregory's Book on the Morals of Job, namely an allegory of the Final Persecution, the Passion of the Church.

    In Pere Emmanuel's book, there is a discussion of 2 Thessalonians, and it brought to my mind an idea.

    We know that the Church has long believed that the antichrist will be a man, entirely possessed by the devil, a world ruler, who will try to establish his own cult of worship and annihilate the True Church. But there are other interpretations that easily run alongside that one.


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    Pere Emmanuel: The issue of the end of the world has been discussed since the Church's origins. Saint Paul had given precious teachings to the Thessalonian Christians on this subject; and how, despite the oral instructions, the spirits let themselves be disturbed by predictions and unsubstantiated rumors, he sent them a very serious letter to calm their concerns. "We insistently plead with you, my brothers, tell them, do not let yourselves be shaken by your resolutions, nor be disturbed by any vision, or chatter, or letter supposedly coming from us, as if
    the day of the Lord is near."

    “No one in any way deceives you! For the great apostasy must come first, and the man of sin, the son of perdition, must appear ... ”. "Don't you remember that I said these things to you when I was still with you?" “And now you know what is holding you back. For the mystery of iniquity already does its work. Whoever holds it back will retain it, waiting until it is set aside ”. (2 Ts 2, 1, 6).

    So the end of the world will not come without a terrifyingly evil and wicked man, the son of perdition, appearing. And this, in turn, will only manifest itself after the great general apostasy, after the disappearance of a providential obstacle about which the Apostle had taught his faithful by voice.


    Absolutely the novus ordo is a powerful manifestation of antichrist. It is certainly the cult of man, that is, unregenerate man. It is not the cult of man as he was immediately created by God; for that man was not created in the state of pure nature, but in the state of grace. There is no such thing as man in a purely natural state - only man in grace and man stripped of grace.

    The novus ordo is the cult of man stripped of his supernatural and his preternatural gifts. The cult of man stripped by robbers, and lying on the side of the road as dead. The cult of man who has rejected his own Redemption, who wallows in sin, and who is the willing slave of the devil, and even his explicit worshipper.

    Why now do we see the convergence - in the ultimate manifestation of the novus ordo - of paganism and perversion? They think they are almost finished. They think they have reached their final objective. They are unveiling before the eyes of the entire world their own Colossus, who spans the entire world, now lying prostrate between his legs. Their Colossus is none other than pagan ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. This is the image of the beast, the image of the man of perdition, the man who has been stripped of everything but sin, the man who wallows in sin and infidelity with malevolent and blind joy.

    The antichrist may very well be a human being who is still to come. Surely he will be a pagan and a sodomite. But even now, in the midst of the Great Apostasy, we see his image erected in the very Sanctuary of God, his image, the veritable abomination of desolation, the image of mankind covered in the slather and feces hurled upon him by the devil. Homo Perversus Diabolus.

    It's ghastly! It is upon us. And it is almost finished now, methinks. 

    Come Lord Jesus!


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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2024, 02:52:33 AM »
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    Pere Emmanuel: What apostasy does São Paulo speak of? This is not a partial defection; he says, in an absolute way, apostasy. One can only understand the mass apostasy of Christian societies, which socially and civilly will deny their baptism; the defection of these nations that Jesus Christ, according to the energetic expression of Saint Paul, made members of the body of his Church (Eph 3, 6).

    Here it is. It is the spirit of the denial of Baptism - and the worship of unregeneration. The filthy novus ordo worships the Fall of Man. That's how you know it is from hell, in case you didn't know otherwise.

    Let that sink into the minds of all the compromisers.

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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2024, 03:46:50 AM »
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  • Pere Emmanuel here speaks about the withholder, who keeps antichrist at bay. He says something very timely here, I think:


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    Pere Emmanuel: The Apostle speaks, in cryptic terms, of an obstacle that is opposed to the appearance of the man of sin: "Whoever holds him back, he says, hold him back, until he is set aside." For the one who retains, the oldest Greek and Latin Fathers understand, almost unanimously, the Roman Empire. Consequently, they explain this to St. Paul: as long as the Roman empire remains, Antichrist will not appear.

    This gloss dislikes the most recent interpreters; they do not admit that the fate of the Church is linked to that of an empire; but they look in vain for another satisfactory explanation. We naively confess that the thinking of the ancients does not seem so despicable, as long as we understand it with a certain amplitude.

    Let us note that St Paul, announcing an apostasy to the faithful when the conversion of the world was outlined, was giving them a vision of the whole future of the Church. He announced to them that nations would be converted, that Christian societies would be formed, and then these societies would lose faith. He had shown them, without a doubt, the transformed Roman empire, a Christian power emerging in place of a pagan power, the authority of the Caesars passing into the hands of the baptized who would use it to extend the kingdom of Jesus Christ. He could, since then, add: as long as this state of affairs lasts, rest assured, Antichrist will not appear. The Apostle's meaning, widely understood, would therefore be this: as long as world domination is in the hands of the Latin race, the enemy of Jesus Christ will not be shown.


    Now doesn't the bolded part fit in nicely with the clearly manifested intention of our enemies to genocide the white race, now that they have successfully polluted our culture, and usurped our authority over our own people? 

    The withholder has both material and spiritual properties; and not the least of the material is racial. Furthermore, not the least of the material property of the enemy is racial. Hmmm...

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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #4 on: June 07, 2024, 04:16:50 AM »
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    Pere Emmanuel: The Apostle's meaning, widely understood, would therefore be this: as long as world domination is in the hands of the Latin race, the enemy of Jesus Christ will not be shown.


    Another interesting idea is that of the Great Apostasy beginning when Popes stopped being REAL Italians. 


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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #5 on: June 07, 2024, 12:06:55 PM »
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  • Another interesting idea is that of the Great Apostasy beginning when Popes stopped being REAL Italians.
    When the pope was taken away and a Masonic agent(s) was placed on the throne of Saint Peter in Rome.  The clear teaching of Christs church(sun) was blotted out and therefore eclipsed by the darkness of false doctrine.  The temporal powers (moon) no more reflects the light of Her teachings and moral moral laws.
    Lawlessness reigns everywhere.

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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #6 on: June 07, 2024, 12:39:10 PM »
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  • Pere Emmanuel here speaks about the withholder, who keeps antichrist at bay. He says something very timely here, I think:

    Now doesn't the bolded part fit in nicely with the clearly manifested intention of our enemies to genocide the white race, now that they have successfully polluted our culture, and usurped our authority over our own people?

    The withholder has both material and spiritual properties; and not the least of the material is racial. Furthermore, not the least of the material property of the enemy is racial. Hmmm...


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    Quote from: Simeon 6/7/2024, 5:16:50 AM
    Another interesting idea is that of the Great Apostasy beginning when Popes stopped being REAL Italians.

    Intriguing, yet:

    "REAL Italians" is an identity category forced upon "the people of the boot" by the usual suspects (ahem) with an assist from British bankers (ahem again) and the Royal Navy. Garibaldi was a militant atheist, and "king" Victor Emmanuel (what an ironic name to have) was a middling upstart from the backwater of Sardegna; the connection to mainland Piedmont (with Turin its industrialized capital/kapital) was a vestige of history. Till after WW II, most "Italians" self-identified by province or town, not by any natural sense of national belonging. Even the national language (of the province of Siena, in a nod to the so-called Renaissance) was imposed upon a population who could be barely mutually intelligible a few hundred miles apart. But that's another topic.

    Latinicity, to call it that, may have more to do with being the heirs of the Roman Empire insofar as it was the residual patrimony of that Empire that facilitated the spread of Christianity, at least until the disruptions of the Reformation and "Enlightenment". Thus all empires that weren't Holy Roman were of the unholy one. Note too that both Imperial Rome and the HRE included a motley mix of subjects, yet they all deferred to Rome. In the current inversion, the pretender to Eternal Rome defers to the adherents of non serviam.

    Note the date of the establishment of the Italian Republic in its current extent: 1870. Before that date, the Papal States comprised as much as a third of the land mass of the Italian Peninsula. Pope Pius IX was the last of the Pope-Kings recognized as a temporal ruler by other nations, Catholic or not, Christian or not. Pope Leo XIII was the first Pope after the loss of the Papal States, and it was he who gave us the Prayer to Saint Michael the Archangel. Not a mere coincidence.

    As for the 20th century non-Italian occupants of the Vatican, they were compromised more by worldly politics than simply by ethnicity. Ratzinger was marked by the long shadow of that thing that happened in his native country (n.b., his revisionist reaction to it, not the thing itself), and Wojtyla can't be assessed apart from the insistent demands of Ostpolitik. As for the current occupant, look at the kowtowing to the CCP, if only in temporal terms. But that becomes a thread-buster :mad:, so I'll not go there. :laugh1:

    In short, the Great Apostasy might tie to the worldly marginalization this past century-and-a-half of the Vicar of Christ the King?
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #7 on: June 07, 2024, 01:46:47 PM »
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  • I find this sermon quite thought provoking:

    PS: Re the sermon's references to the afflictions of Job, remember that in the end, all turned out OK for Job. For his mockers, not. Job endured patiently and still believed. Let's be like Job. :cowboy:
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus


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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #8 on: June 07, 2024, 02:01:54 PM »
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  • PS: Re the sermon's references to the afflictions of Job, remember that in the end, all turned out OK for Job. For his mockers, not. Job endured patiently and still believed. Let's be like Job. 
    Before Holy Jobs trial, there was recorded a dialogue between God and Satan. God giving His permission for each tribulation.  This same type of dialogue also happened under the reign of Pope Leo Xlll when he heard the conversation between Our Lord and Satan, where Our Lord gives him more power over those who will serve him (devil) and 100 years.
    This is what prompted Pipe Leo Xlll to compose the St. Michael prayer.

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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #9 on: June 07, 2024, 02:05:52 PM »
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  • Before Holy Jobs trial, there was recorded a dialogue between God and Satan. God giving His permission for each tribulation.  This same type of dialogue also happened under the reign of Pope Leo Xlll when he heard the conversation between Our Lord and Satan, where Our Lord gives him more power over those who will serve him (devil) and 100 years.
    This is what prompted Pipe Leo Xlll to compose the St. Michael prayer.

    Yes, good reminder!
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #10 on: June 07, 2024, 02:54:15 PM »
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  • When the pope was taken away and a Masonic agent(s) was placed on the throne of Saint Peter in Rome.  The clear teaching of Christs church(sun) was blotted out and therefore eclipsed by the darkness of false doctrine.  The temporal powers (moon) no more reflects the light of Her teachings and moral moral laws.
    Lawlessness reigns everywhere.

    Yes, I tend to think that the Christian state is the withholder, at least to some degree. Either the state confesses the true Faith, or the world is engulfed in darkness. 


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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #11 on: June 07, 2024, 03:01:10 PM »
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  • Intriguing, yet:

    "REAL Italians" is an identity category forced upon "the people of the boot" by the usual suspects (ahem) with an assist from British bankers (ahem again) and the Royal Navy. Garibaldi was a militant atheist, and "king" Victor Emmanuel (what an ironic name to have) was a middling upstart from the backwater of Sardegna; the connection to mainland Piedmont (with Turin its industrialized capital/kapital) was a vestige of history. Till after WW II, most "Italians" self-identified by province or town, not by any natural sense of national belonging. Even the national language (of the province of Siena, in a nod to the so-called Renaissance) was imposed upon a population who could be barely mutually intelligible a few hundred miles apart. But that's another topic.

    Latinicity, to call it that, may have more to do with being the heirs of the Roman Empire insofar as it was the residual patrimony of that Empire that facilitated the spread of Christianity, at least until the disruptions of the Reformation and "Enlightenment". Thus all empires that weren't Holy Roman were of the unholy one. Note too that both Imperial Rome and the HRE included a motley mix of subjects, yet they all deferred to Rome. In the current inversion, the pretender to Eternal Rome defers to the adherents of non serviam.

    Note the date of the establishment of the Italian Republic in its current extent: 1870. Before that date, the Papal States comprised as much as a third of the land mass of the Italian Peninsula. Pope Pius IX was the last of the Pope-Kings recognized as a temporal ruler by other nations, Catholic or not, Christian or not. Pope Leo XIII was the first Pope after the loss of the Papal States, and it was he who gave us the Prayer to Saint Michael the Archangel. Not a mere coincidence.

    As for the 20th century non-Italian occupants of the Vatican, they were compromised more by worldly politics than simply by ethnicity. Ratzinger was marked by the long shadow of that thing that happened in his native country (n.b., his revisionist reaction to it, not the thing itself), and Wojtyla can't be assessed apart from the insistent demands of Ostpolitik. As for the current occupant, look at the kowtowing to the CCP, if only in temporal terms. But that becomes a thread-buster :mad:, so I'll not go there. :laugh1:

    In short, the Great Apostasy might tie to the worldly marginalization this past century-and-a-half of the Vicar of Christ the King?

    Great post! Write whatever comes to your mind. This is a speculation, thinking out loud thread. You can't derail it. 

    What you say here brings to mind what Pere Emmanuel said above, "As long as world domination is in the hands of the Latin race, the enemy of Jesus Christ will not be shown." 

    "Latin race" can certainly be broader in scope, as you point out in the sense of being heirs of the Empire. It can mean European man, now targeted for extinction. Also "world domination" suggests temporal, rather than papal power. 



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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #12 on: June 07, 2024, 03:02:59 PM »
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  • PS: Re the sermon's references to the afflictions of Job, remember that in the end, all turned out OK for Job. For his mockers, not. Job endured patiently and still believed. Let's be like Job. :cowboy:

    It's interesting to consider Job in the light of the Passion of the Church. Pere Emmanuel says that there will be a triumph, as a Resurrection. I wholeheartedly believe that. 

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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #13 on: June 07, 2024, 03:07:21 PM »
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  • Before Holy Jobs trial, there was recorded a dialogue between God and Satan. God giving His permission for each tribulation.  This same type of dialogue also happened under the reign of Pope Leo Xlll when he heard the conversation between Our Lord and Satan, where Our Lord gives him more power over those who will serve him (devil) and 100 years.
    This is what prompted Pipe Leo Xlll to compose the St. Michael prayer.

    Yes, Pere Emmanuel says that (I paraphrase), in this time evil has never been set so loose, and at the same time has never been so restrained by God. He puts the great apostasy on our Lord's lips, when He predicts the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the world in Matthew's Gospel. Thus we are living through a time predestinated by God - for the sifting of the chaff and the wheat; for the trial of the Faith, and the glory of the Church. 

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    Re: Bp. Roy On The Great Apostasy
    « Reply #14 on: June 07, 2024, 05:51:38 PM »
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  • Here it is. It is the spirit of the denial of Baptism - and the worship of unregeneration. The filthy novus ordo worships the Fall of Man. That's how you know it is from hell, in case you didn't know otherwise.

    Let that sink into the minds of all the compromisers.
    Makes me immediateley think of "exceptions" like salvation outside the Church by the Church, salvation in invincible ignorance, baptism of blood, and baptism of desire.