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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2020, 06:33:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 06, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
    Now, the docuмent regarding ordination does not say that it was conditional.  It's also interesting that the docuмents are in French when Clemente was a Spaniard.  These look legitimate to me, nonetheless, but I'm no expert.

    Oh?  That IS interesting.  Can “Mr.” Short provide an explanation, please?
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #31 on: August 06, 2020, 06:42:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 06, 2020, 06:29:41 PM
    I’ll translate it later or tomorrow; on cell right now.

    Here's the one for the Ordination.  Please correct my translation if incorrect, since I am no expert in French.
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    We, Clemente Dominguez y Gomez, Bishop, hereby make it known that we have ordained (as) a PRIEST the cleric Raymond Maurice Terrasson on the 18th of March 1976 in General House of the Carmelites of the Holy Face located in the city of Seville, Spain.  This ceremony took place in the presence of the community of the General House.

    The Reverent Raymond Maurice Terrrasson has the faculties of confessor, preacher, and distributor of the Sacraments of the Church to the faithful until their revocation [i.e. the revocation of said faculties].

    18 March 1976

    Witnesses [signatures]                                      Bishop: [signature and seal]

    There appear to be three distinct signatures of witnesses, but I can't decipher their handwriting at all.
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #32 on: August 06, 2020, 06:43:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 06, 2020, 06:33:34 PM
    Oh?  That IS interesting.  Can “Mr.” Short provide an explanation, please?

    There are possible explanations.

    1) they considered his priestly ordination downright invalid and didn't bother to do it conditionally.

    2) they just didn't know how to phrase it in a docuмent that the ordination was conditional [as these weren't exactly trained canon lawyers here]
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #33 on: August 06, 2020, 06:46:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 06, 2020, 06:43:57 PM
    There are possible explanations.

    1) they considered his priestly ordination downright invalid and didn't bother to do it conditionally.

    2) they just didn't know how to phrase it in a docuмent that the ordination was conditional [as these weren't exactly trained canon lawyers here]
    I haven’t looked at it yet, but what is the level of certitude they are what they claim to be?  I’m a bit gun shy after Moran’s “paperwork.”
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #34 on: August 06, 2020, 06:48:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 06, 2020, 06:46:22 PM
    I haven’t looked at it yet, but what is the level of certitude they are what they claim to be?  I’m a bit gun shy after Moran’s “paperwork.”

    Right now, I don't think there's any certain evidence they are genuine.  They LOOK legit to me, but since all we have are electronic copies, they could have been shopped, with a known signature of Clemente from another docuмent (since he issued hundreds of these).
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #35 on: August 08, 2020, 09:38:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 06, 2020, 06:48:58 PM
    Right now, I don't think there's any certain evidence they are genuine.  They LOOK legit to me, but since all we have are electronic copies, they could have been shopped, with a known signature of Clemente from another docuмent (since he issued hundreds of these).
    A priest or bishop needs to prove his own legitimacy and validity for the world to accept him.  (It is not up to us to prove it for him. )
    Until such time, it's best to avoid questionable clerics.
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #36 on: August 13, 2020, 05:12:24 PM »
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    • It is quite possible that there were bi-lingual persons involved with the Carmelites of Palmar de Troya, Spain. Someone could of prepared the French certificate, and told Bp. Clemente to sign it after he conferred orders that day. Also It is quite probable that, Bp. Clemente considered orders received from Bp. Laborie as invalid, hence an absolute conferral of orders. For the record I call my self Mr. Short94 to signify, that I am an individual of shorter stature. I am a layman for anyone who is concerned. Also I am not Fr. Caleb Short, who was formerly a member of the CMRI. I do go where the facts lead me. Also I do try to reach out to clergy to hear first hand from them regarding their holy orders and apostolic successions.
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #37 on: August 13, 2020, 07:31:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: MrShort94 on August 13, 2020, 05:12:24 PM
    It is quite possible that there were bi-lingual persons involved with the Carmelites of Palmar de Troya, Spain. Someone could of prepared the French certificate, and told Bp. Clemente to sign it after he conferred orders that day. Also It is quite probable that, Bp. Clemente considered orders received from Bp. Laborie as invalid, hence an absolute conferral of orders. For the record I call my self Mr. Short94 to signify, that I am an individual of shorter stature. I am a layman for anyone who is concerned. Also I am not Fr. Caleb Short, who was formerly a member of the CMRI. I do go where the facts lead me. Also I do try to reach out to clergy to hear first hand from them regarding their holy orders and apostolic successions.
    Fr. Short left the CMRI??? 
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #38 on: August 14, 2020, 05:11:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on August 13, 2020, 07:31:23 PM
    Fr. Short left the CMRI???
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    Does anyone have any knowledge of this?
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #39 on: August 15, 2020, 01:00:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on August 14, 2020, 05:11:59 AM
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    Does anyone have any knowledge of this?
    Fr. Anthony Short left CMRI because he started to deny BOD. 
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #40 on: August 15, 2020, 01:01:43 AM »
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    • My guess is the docuмents are in french since Terrasson was french. I first saw the reordination and consecration certificates via a french anglican priest who was ordained by him.
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #41 on: August 15, 2020, 03:09:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on August 15, 2020, 01:00:21 AM
    Fr. Anthony Short left CMRI because he started to deny BOD.
    Thank you.
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #42 on: August 15, 2020, 04:22:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on April 22, 2020, 06:52:49 AM
    Traditionally, priests were married to women.  



    (It was stopped because of loss of real estate
    to women and families which doesn’t make sense because Church laws could have prevented it from happening.
    Look at the amount of Church real estate lost because of communist sodomy within priesthood. One too many perverts with Vatican II and just as many in traditional camps.  
    Our first Pope.  St Peter had a wife and children.  These are facts. 
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #43 on: August 15, 2020, 08:59:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on August 15, 2020, 01:00:21 AM
    Fr. Anthony Short left CMRI because he started to deny BOD.
    The reason for Fr. Anthony leaving the CMRI had nothing to do with BOD.  He departed rebelliously from the religious house, which was the culmination of repeated acts of disobedience and defiance, and showing no signs of amendment despite regular admonitions.  He then found a home with Fr. Dominic Crawford (ordained by Bp. Webster, if Webster's orders are valid, and if we can trust Webster didn't botch that ordination also).  It was not until after leaving the CMRI and associating with Fr. Crawford that Fr. Anthony began to reject BOD.
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    Re: Bp Neal Webster
    « Reply #44 on: August 15, 2020, 09:23:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on August 15, 2020, 01:00:21 AM
    Fr. Anthony Short left CMRI because he started to deny BOD.
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    He was dismissed for a variety of reasons related to disobedience.  Upon his dismissal, he joined up with Fr. Crawford but was not a Feeneyite when he did (at least, if he was telling the truth when he denied being one to those who asked).  After about a month (maybe a little less, maybe a little more) of working with Crawford he became a Feeneyite.
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