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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2020, 06:33:34 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 06, 2020, 06:29:14 PM
Now, the docuмent regarding ordination does not say that it was conditional.  It's also interesting that the docuмents are in French when Clemente was a Spaniard.  These look legitimate to me, nonetheless, but I'm no expert.

Oh?  That IS interesting.  Can “Mr.” Short provide an explanation, please?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2020, 06:42:09 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 06, 2020, 06:29:41 PM
I’ll translate it later or tomorrow; on cell right now.

Here's the one for the Ordination.  Please correct my translation if incorrect, since I am no expert in French.
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To whom it may concern:

We, Clemente Dominguez y Gomez, Bishop, hereby make it known that we have ordained (as) a PRIEST the cleric Raymond Maurice Terrasson on the 18th of March 1976 in General House of the Carmelites of the Holy Face located in the city of Seville, Spain.  This ceremony took place in the presence of the community of the General House.

The Reverent Raymond Maurice Terrrasson has the faculties of confessor, preacher, and distributor of the Sacraments of the Church to the faithful until their revocation [i.e. the revocation of said faculties].

18 March 1976

Witnesses [signatures]                                      Bishop: [signature and seal]

There appear to be three distinct signatures of witnesses, but I can't decipher their handwriting at all.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2020, 06:43:57 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 06, 2020, 06:33:34 PM
Oh?  That IS interesting.  Can “Mr.” Short provide an explanation, please?

There are possible explanations.

1) they considered his priestly ordination downright invalid and didn't bother to do it conditionally.

2) they just didn't know how to phrase it in a docuмent that the ordination was conditional [as these weren't exactly trained canon lawyers here]
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2020, 06:46:22 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 06, 2020, 06:43:57 PM
There are possible explanations.

1) they considered his priestly ordination downright invalid and didn't bother to do it conditionally.

2) they just didn't know how to phrase it in a docuмent that the ordination was conditional [as these weren't exactly trained canon lawyers here]
I haven’t looked at it yet, but what is the level of certitude they are what they claim to be?  I’m a bit gun shy after Moran’s “paperwork.”
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2020, 06:48:58 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 06, 2020, 06:46:22 PM
I haven’t looked at it yet, but what is the level of certitude they are what they claim to be?  I’m a bit gun shy after Moran’s “paperwork.”

Right now, I don't think there's any certain evidence they are genuine.  They LOOK legit to me, but since all we have are electronic copies, they could have been shopped, with a known signature of Clemente from another docuмent (since he issued hundreds of these).
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