Quote from: Stubborn

All that from a guy who thinks the Church teaches there really is salvation outside the Catholic Church - as if She would even need to even make that  declaration.
 

You're proving again how you have your very own understanding of Church teaching and misrepresent those who oppose your mistaken interpretations.

 

Here, I think it was you who has compared a BOD to a COD (Confession of Desire) - make the comparison again. Use your interpreters and post an 11 page essay which proves the below canon really means by faith alone we can rise again after we have fallen into sin via a Confession of Desire.

CANON XXIX.-If any one saith, that he, who has fallen after baptism, is not able by the grace of God to rise again; or, that he is able indeed to recover the justice which he has lost, but by faith alone without the sacrament of Penance, contrary to what the holy Roman and universal Church-instructed by Christ and his Apostles-has hitherto professed, observed, and taugh; let him be anathema.

From reading SJB's postings over quite a long time now, I have concluded that he is terrified of posting anything that can be shown to be wrong, therefore, he posts nothing that he can be pinned down on. Finally, he has come down to posting nothings, one short inconsequential sentence per posting. He is like a deer frozen in front of the headlights, his panic of being wrong keeps him from contributing anything.



In 1923, Babe Ruth broke the record for most home runs in a season. That same year, he also broke the record for highest batting average. There is a third record he broke that year that most people don't know about: In 1923, Babe Ruth struck out more times than any other player in Major League

Babe Ruth was not afraid to strike out. And it was this fearlessness that contributed to his remarkable career. He was the first player to hit 60 home runs in one season, a record he held for 34 years until Roger Maris hit 61 in 1961. He also held the lifetime total home run record of 714 for 39 years until Hank Aaron broke it in 1974.

He held other records too. He had 1,330 career strike outs — a record he held for 29 years until it was broken by none other than the great Mickey Mantle.


Swing for the fences
Most people want to hit home runs; the problem is that they are not willing to strike out (meaning that they fear failure) in order to get there. As Babe Ruth proved, you can't have one without the other. If you want to swing for the fences, you have to be willing to strike out. ■

From reading SJB's postings over quite a long time now, I have concluded that he is terrified of posting anything that can be shown to be wrong, therefore, he posts nothing that he can be pinned down on. Finally, he has come down to posting nothings, one short inconsequential sentence per posting. He is like a deer frozen in front of the headlights, his panic of being wrong keeps him from contributing anything.



In 1923, Babe Ruth broke the record for most home runs in a season. That same year, he also broke the record for highest batting average. There is a third record he broke that year that most people don't know about: In 1923, Babe Ruth struck out more times than any other player in Major League

Babe Ruth was not afraid to strike out. And it was this fearlessness that contributed to his remarkable career. He was the first player to hit 60 home runs in one season, a record he held for 34 years until Roger Maris hit 61 in 1961. He also held the lifetime total home run record of 714 for 39 years until Hank Aaron broke it in 1974.

He held other records too. He had 1,330 career strike outs — a record he held for 29 years until it was broken by none other than the great Mickey Mantle.


Swing for the fences
Most people want to hit home runs; the problem is that they are not willing to strike out (meaning that they fear failure) in order to get there. As Babe Ruth proved, you can't have one without the other. If you want to swing for the fences, you have to be willing to strike out. ■

That would be called humility, something you don't understand. Some choose to defer to the authortative experts and LEARN from them.

It has been said that all analogies limp, yet you've taken that to new more crippling level. A more fitting analogy would be you as a novice player and simply rejecting any coaching from expert coaches and trainers. Then you "take the risk" and try to figure it all out on your own. The sad fact is that there are no failures to humble you, you're just a guy on the internet shooting off his mouth. In this forum, Matthew is the only one who could humble you, and he just won't do it. You continue to strike out, but you constantly think you've just hit a grand slam.

Well, your "as written" isn't correct at all. This just proves what an idiot you are when you rely on your own intellect, or lack thereof.

The Catechism of Trent says : "In the general opinion of the pious, whatever of holiness, piety, and religion has been preserved in the Church in our times, through the boundless beneficence of God, is to be ascribed in a great measure to confession." 18 The same authority describes Penance as " this citadel, so to speak, of Christian virtue," and adds that, though sins are cancelled by perfect con trition, few can reach a sufficient degree of contrition, and consequently it was "necessary that the Lord, in His infinite mercy, should provide by some easier means for the common salvation of men; and this He did, in His admirable wisdom, when He gave to the Church the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven." 14

Quote from: SJB

Well, your "as written" isn't correct at all. This just proves what an idiot you are when you rely on your own intellect, or lack thereof.

Quote from: Sin and the Means of Grace, Rev. Antony Koch, 1918

The Catechism of Trent says : "In the general opinion of the pious, whatever of holiness, piety, and religion has been preserved in the Church in our times, through the boundless beneficence of God, is to be ascribed in a great measure to confession." 18 The same authority describes Penance as " this citadel, so to speak, of Christian virtue," and adds that, though sins are cancelled by perfect contrition, few can reach a sufficient degree of contrition, and consequently it was "necessary that the Lord, in His infinite mercy, should provide by some easier means for the common salvation of men; and this He did, in His admirable wisdom, when He gave to the Church the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven." 14

You *STILL* aren't reading what is written.

A BOD really must be a drug for you.
Keep trying SJB. You'll get it one of these days, if you keep trying.

Perhaps if you think about it in terms that apply to you - since you believe in a  COD, will you simply use a COD for the rest of your life and never go to confession again?

Are you really that stupid, Mr. "AS WRITTEN"?

The fact that sins are cancelled by perfect contrition doesn't diminish or deny the need for a Sacramental Confession. The Sacrament is a benefit to all, yet God's Grace is not bound by the Sacraments.

Contrition, it is true, blots out sin; but who does not know that to effect this it must be so intense, so ardent, so vehement, as to bear a proportion to the magnitude of the crimes which it effaces? This is a degree of contrition which few reach; and hence, in this way, very few indeed could hope to obtain the pardon of their sins. It, therefore, became necessary that the most merciful Lord should provide by some easier means for the common salvation of men; and this He has done in His admirable wisdom, by giving to His Church the keys of the kingdom of heaven.

Exactly. Now actually read it instead of arguing with it.

You know SJB, instead of reading what is written, you read into it what you want it to say. You do that all the time even after you are corrected.

Therefore, stop being a hypocrite, show us you are sincere and practice what you preach already - never go to confession again for the rest of your life. Forget about calling for a priest when you are dying, your desire to confess will certainly suffice - if you really and truly believe that the Church teaches a COD. Start posting about how well a COD works for you so we know you actually practice what you preach.

Otherwise, admit with the the council and catechism of Trent that for those who fall after the sacrament of baptism, "it is impossible to obtain or even to hope for remission of sins by any other means" except through the sacrament of penance.

You are a stupid fool and maybe that's  why you call youself stubborn.

This is a degree of contrition which few reach; and hence, in this way, very few indeed could hope to obtain the pardon of their sins.

Charity may be perfect or imperfect : the former justifies man by its own efficacy; the latter only in the Sacrament of Penance. (See the articles Attrition and Contrition.)

Quote from: SJB

You are a stupid fool and maybe that's  why you call youself stubborn.

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This is a degree of contrition which few reach; and hence, in this way, very few indeed could hope to obtain the pardon of their sins.

Quote from: Addis, Catholic Dictionary

Charity may be perfect or imperfect : the former justifies man by its own efficacy; the latter only in the Sacrament of Penance. (See the articles Attrition and Contrition.)

You quote a dictionary to "interpret" the clear teaching of the council and the council's catechism?

Quote from: Council of Trent

CANON XXIX.-If any one saith, that he, who has fallen after baptism, is not able by the grace of God to rise again; or, that he is able indeed to recover the justice which he has lost, but by faith alone without the sacrament of Penance, contrary to what the holy Roman and universal Church-instructed by Christ and his Apostles-has hitherto professed, observed, and taught; let him be anathema.

Now c'mon SJB, stop being a hypocrite, show us you REALLY believe what you preach, that your faith in what you preach is strong and never go to confession again for the rest of your life.  Start posting about how well a COD works for you so we know you actually practice what you preach.

Otherwise, admit with the the council and catechism of Trent that for those who fall after the sacrament of baptism, "it is impossible to obtain or even to hope for remission of sins by any other means" except through the sacrament of penance and stop looking for loopholes from sources which contradict what the Church teaches.

You're too stupid to realize the quote from Trent doesn't say what you think it says. Now find an authority who explains it (what you think you read) the same way you do or shut up.