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Offline DigitalLogos

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Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
« Reply #165 on: May 01, 2022, 09:42:01 AM »
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  • Update: it was announced today that the seminarians will be ordained next week.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #166 on: May 01, 2022, 09:44:43 AM »
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  • Could you reference the episode where he said that please. I am a member of True Restoration and would like to hear exactly what he said so I can have reference to the context in which it was said.
    I don't remember the episode. It may be on their Roman Catholic YouTube channel. 
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #167 on: May 01, 2022, 10:29:28 AM »
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  • LAD SAID: "This elevation of theological opinion to the level of dogma absent Church authority, and thereby effectively a usurpation of an authority that belongs only to the Church, is and has been the bane of the Traditional movement."

    Thank you for saying that. It needs to be said over and over and over again, until it gains traction.

    I've been thinking about usurpation a lot over the last several months. It seems to me that at this exact moment in history - excepting what I note below - nowhere on the earth can be found, either in the secular or the ecclesiastical realm, any authority that is not either itself a usurpation, or derived from usurpation.

    The exception would be the legitimate authority stemming from participation in the Natural Law, for example the legitimate authority of parents over their children, elders over young'uns, teachers over pupils, etc. And yet, even in these instances, one cannot omit to mention the vile interference, oppression, and attempts to corrupt this natural authority, by the agents and vectors of this now-entrenched, universal usurpation.  

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #168 on: May 01, 2022, 10:37:09 AM »
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  • Also, mature Catholics who had doubts about one another's Orders would do the Catholic and charitable thing of simply conditionally consecrating one another and then conditionally ordaining all their priests.  Problem solved, and they could start working with one another and spreading out instead of competing for the same turf in the same metropolitan regions.  Why do we need 10 different chapels in NE Ohio and a bunch in Cincinnati when many parts of the country are lacking in access to Traditional Mass and Sacraments?  There's a large hole in Columbus ... about halfway between Cleveland and Columbus, and a big shortage in Indiana ... just to name a few of many.
    There is something desperately wrong with motives and intentions in the trad tableau. It is clear as day, if one surveys the fruits, now fully ripened after 60 years.

    At some point in time, what began as an honest and militant counter-offensive, was kidnapped and murdered.

    As we know vermin of all stripes feed on carcasses.

    The current scene evokes for me an image of hyenas, maggots, and vultures (read:trad positions) vying with each other to feed on a corpse.

    Unfortunately, we are that corpse. 

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #169 on: May 01, 2022, 11:09:29 AM »
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  • There is something desperately wrong with motives and intentions in the trad tableau. It is clear as day, if one surveys the fruits, now fully ripened after 60 years.

    At some point in time, what began as an honest and militant counter-offensive, was kidnapped and murdered.

    As we know vermin of all stripes feed on carcasses.

    The current scene evokes for me an image of hyenas, maggots, and vultures (read:trad positions) vying with each other to feed on a corpse.

    Unfortunately, we are that corpse.
    "Wheresoever the body shall be, there shall the eagles also be gathered together."
    [Matthew 24:28]
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #170 on: May 01, 2022, 12:03:41 PM »
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  • The next year or so will determine the future of SGG. Bishop da Silva is bad news.

    I wonder what legal arrangements were made now that Bishop Dolan and Father Cekada, the senior leadership, are both gone.  We've seen it over and over again when a priest dies, there's a battle for control, often by the lay people.

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #171 on: May 01, 2022, 12:09:04 PM »
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  • So up here in NE Ohio, my neck of the woods, we have, within about 30-40 minutes of each other:

    1) SSPX chapel/school in Richfield, OH (developing into a priory I think).
    2) SSPX mission chapel in Girard, OH
    --I live about halfway between these 2
    3) Independent SSPX-aligned chapel (Akron, OH)
    4) SSPV chapel in Parma, OH
    5) CMRI chapel in Akron, OH
    6) two Motu Masses in Akron, OH (not to mention a few in Cleveland)
    7) probably a dozen Eastern Rite churches

    Do you have any idea how enviable the situation in northern Ohio is? 

    You actually make an excellent case for one's relocating there.  (I'm retired with independent income, and once my son turns 18 and there are no more custody issues, we can live anywhere we want to.)

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #172 on: May 01, 2022, 02:52:33 PM »
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  • There is something desperately wrong with motives and intentions in the trad tableau. It is clear as day, if one surveys the fruits, now fully ripened after 60 years.

    At some point in time, what began as an honest and militant counter-offensive, was kidnapped and murdered.

    As we know vermin of all stripes feed on carcasses.

    The current scene evokes for me an image of hyenas, maggots, and vultures (read:trad positions) vying with each other to feed on a corpse.

    Unfortunately, we are that corpse.

    Indeed Vultures and Jackals are a good analogy. Both are encircling their carcasses, i.e., the faithful. This thread puts all of it in clear view. All the so-called “leaders” of these traditional societies should get their act together and repent, or most will go to hell.


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #173 on: May 01, 2022, 02:57:43 PM »
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  • The only way to stop this madness is to stop donating money. This is the only thing they really care about, so they will be forced to react if you cut off the money supply. The problem is(at least in the NEO-SSPX) world, they are now being run by the Novus Ordo refugees, who have more money to put in the SSPX coffers.

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #174 on: May 01, 2022, 03:09:05 PM »
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  • Do you have any idea how enviable the situation in northern Ohio is? 

    You actually make an excellent case for one's relocating there.  (I'm retired with independent income, and once my son turns 18 and there are no more custody issues, we can live anywhere we want to.)

    Yes, I do.  Within about a 60 minute drive, I could get to any one of about 27 options for a valid and (mostly Catholic) Mass.  I say mostly Catholic because the Maronite Rites are Modernized quite a bit, and the Eastern Rites use English (vernacular).  And one might argue whether the 3 Motu Masses within range of me are valid (would depend on the priest and the elderly ones are dying out).

    These are the various Masses (that I know of ... I'm sure I'm missing a few) within an hour drive of where I live.  If I were to move about 15 minutes West of where I live, you'd have several here within a 10 minute drive (the ones in or near Akron OH).  Lots of Eastern European immigrants came to the Cleveland area, including Hungarians (my own descent).

    20 minutes -- Sacred Heart of Jesus Church, CMRI, Akron
    20 minutes -- Motu, St. Paul Church, Akron (9:30 AM)
    22 minutes -- Holy Ghost Ukrainian, Akron
    25 minutes -- Immaculate Heart of Mary and School, Independent SSPX-aligned, Akron, Father Leo Carley (resident ... though elderly)
    26 minutes -- St. Nicholas Byzantine, Barberton
    26 minutes -- Motu, St. Sebastian Church, Akron  (1:00 PM)
    27 minutes -- Our Lady of Cedars Maronite
    30 minutes -- St. Theodore Romanian Catholic
    31 minutes -- St. Joseph Melkite Rite
    33 minutes -- Our Lady of Mariapoch Byzantine Shrine
    34 minutes -- Our Lady of Sorrows, SSPX -- mostly just a mission with 3PM Sunday Mass
    36 minutes -- St. George Romanian Catholic Cathedral (eparchy with bishop)
    37 minutes -- St. Peregrine Church and Academy, SSPX -- just weekends now but plans to make it a priory
    37 minutes -- St. Mary's Ukrainian
    38 minutes -- Our Lady of the Most Holy Rosary, FSSP -- Vienna, OH 38 minutes (3 priests stationed there)
    38 minutes -- St. Mary Romanian Catholic
    42 minutes -- St. Joseph Byzantine
    47 minutes -- St. John the Baptist Byzantine Cathedral (eparchy with bishop and priests)
    48 minutes -- St. Therese, Parma, SSPV -- just weekends
    48 minutes -- St. Josaphat Cathedral (eparchy with bishop and several priests)
    48 minutes -- St. Maron Maronite Catholic (resident priest)
    48 minutes -- Most Holy Trinity Romanian Catholic
    51 minutes -- St. John's Hungarian Byzantine, Cleveland
    52 minutes -- Motu, St. Stephen Church, Akron
    53 minutes -- St. Emilian Byzantine
    53 minutes -- St. Helena Romanian Catholic

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #175 on: May 01, 2022, 04:27:56 PM »
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  • Do you have any idea how enviable the situation in northern Ohio is? 

    You actually make an excellent case for one's relocating there.  (I'm retired with independent income, and once my son turns 18 and there are no more custody issues, we can live anywhere we want to.)
    The only real drawback is...you live in Ohio!


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #176 on: May 01, 2022, 05:18:01 PM »
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  • It's the result of the flock being scattered due to the Shepherd having been struck.

    And then the sheep decided to turn to cannibalism.

    That was a good post! :cowboy:

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #177 on: May 01, 2022, 05:31:34 PM »
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  • If you are going to sell a chapel that has been celebrating the Latin mass for more than 30 years. You first have to get on the pulpit, look the parishioners in the eye, and tell them so. Then you have to make accommodations for them to receive the sacraments. If it means moving to a temporary warehouse, so be it--moving to another county is not the answer.

    There are many stories on SSPX chapel takeovers and real-estate flipping.   They have perfected the process.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #178 on: May 01, 2022, 06:24:36 PM »
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  • The bishop's body isn't even cold yet and the Dimonds have to do their victory lap :facepalm:

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #179 on: May 01, 2022, 06:45:01 PM »
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  • The bishop's body isn't even cold yet and the Dimonds have to do their victory lap :facepalm:




    From Father Hesse's explanation, the method of Baptism (Water, Desire & Blood) is not dogmatically defined.

    But the rejection of the Extra Ecclasium Nulla Salus dogma is a problem... shared by many Traditionalist, especially the SSPX.




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi