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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
« Reply #150 on: April 30, 2022, 08:45:32 PM »
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    The chapel in Davie is the same size, Not counting the bigger cafeteria area. This has nothing to do with the size of the building; it's all about money.
    Even if the building was sold for $, it was still too small, long term.  Objectively, it needed to be sold.  The error is in replacing it with something the same size.


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #151 on: April 30, 2022, 08:48:55 PM »
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  • For those who don’t believe me about the Pentecostals trying to steal Parishioners(see link). They are stomping on Fr. Hopkins's gravesite, courtesy of the SSPX.



    https://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2011-1120-ryan-fr-hopkins.htm


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #152 on: April 30, 2022, 08:51:05 PM »
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  • I am glad I go to CMRI chapels for Mass. No trad organization is 100% ideal but I keep quiet at the chapel and on the grounds and I do fine. If I really had to I would go to Eastern and have considered going to SSPX (I could go to Mass a few times a week extra if I did this so it is a serious consideration) but the collection plate bothered me. I know individual priests do not will these kinds of atrocious dealings. Should I just supply a priest with some consumables that the chapel would need (toilet paper/paper towels or something like that) in proportion to what I'd otherwise give or would that be inappropriate?

    Well, you’re fortunate no CMRI down here. If there were, you better believe I would be attending.

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #153 on: April 30, 2022, 08:58:50 PM »
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  • Even if the building was sold for $, it was still too small, long term.  Objectively, it needed to be sold.  The error is in replacing it with something the same size.

    If you are going to sell a chapel that has been celebrating the Latin mass for more than 30 years. You first have to get on the pulpit, look the parishioners in the eye, and tell them so. Then you have to make accommodations for them to receive the sacraments. If it means moving to a temporary warehouse, so be it--moving to another county is not the answer.

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #154 on: April 30, 2022, 09:02:03 PM »
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    If you are going to sell a chapel that has been celebrating the Latin mass for more than 30 years. You first have to get on the pulpit, look the parishioners in the eye, and tell them so. Then you have to make accommodations for them to receive the sacraments. If it means moving to a temporary warehouse, so be it--moving to another county is not the answer.
    I agree with you, if that's how it went down.  I know nothing of the details of the sale, or the lack of communication.  And obviously, the replacement chapel is just as small.  I'm just saying, objectively, the original site was small.  


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #155 on: April 30, 2022, 09:03:39 PM »
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  • Well, you’re fortunate no CMRI down here. If there were, you better believe I would be attending.
    There's one CMRI chapel about two hours away from me, but also an SSPX 35 minutes away, so I go there instead. Otherwise I'd be going to the CMRI chapel.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #156 on: April 30, 2022, 09:16:12 PM »
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  • I agree with you, if that's how it went down.  I know nothing of the details of the sale, or the lack of communication.  And obviously, the replacement chapel is just as small.  I'm just saying, objectively, the original site was small. 

    That is exact;y how it went down. Read the PDF link I posted. Basically, the SSPX took advantage of the scamdemic to close and sell off one of their two paid-off chapels. Moreover, the SSPX still needs two million dollars to begin thinking about building a bigger chapel. They have already spent more than a million dollars to purchase land.

    All of this has been docuмented on this site. Prior, Toupppe in Sanford is running a Glenn Gary Ross Real Estate agency instead of looking after souls. It's basically a fire sale for all Florida chapels.

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #157 on: April 30, 2022, 09:20:57 PM »
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  • There's one CMRI chapel about two hours away from me, but also an SSPX 35 minutes away, so I go there instead. Otherwise I'd be going to the CMRI chapel.

    Fr. Jenkins comes down once a week to Boynton Beach to offer mass. The problem is it’s about two-and-a-half hours away. And after his calumny of Bishop Dolan, I’m having second thoughts.


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #158 on: April 30, 2022, 09:30:40 PM »
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  • As the thread is about the passing of Bishop Dolan, it might be better and more seemly to discuss the myriad side issues that have arisen in threads dedicated to them.  Just a thought...
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #159 on: April 30, 2022, 09:36:28 PM »
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  • Well, they probably wouldn't put that in a "newcomers" section in that they would have no idea what a "una cuм" Mass is.  I feel that Pax's information is reliable, coming from family who live in the Cincy area.

    I lived there myself for years.  It is a very sad state of affairs and has been for decades.  I and many others lived what I revealed about sgg.org/cult and sgg.org/skewl.  People may believe as they wish, as that is their business; however, it would be better discussed in threads dedicated to that purpose.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #160 on: April 30, 2022, 09:49:43 PM »
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  • The Cincy area has 3 different chapels (sspx, Fr Jenkins, +Dolan/Fr Cekada) being within 30-40 minutes of one another, all with very different Trad flavors.  The controversy arises when the youngsters start dating from different chapels, because then the different clerics have to "lay down the law" on a) feenyism, b) sedevacantism, c) una cuм, d) pro-rome, e) not switching chapels, f) home school vs chapel school, g) etc etc.

    SGG is definitely wrong in their "turf war" but so is the sspx and Fr Jenkins.  All 3 groups have contributed to the nonsense, conflict and family turmoil.  There are many, many stories where a couple got married at one of the chapels, and one of the spouses' families won't speak to them.  The clerics condone and contribute to these tragedies.  It's still going on.

    The Nati (Cincinnati) is Endlessly Scandalous Mind-F*ck Central within Traddieland.  It isn't so surprising, as those who brought about the terrible situation we are in also undoubtedly followed us into the desert, infiltrating the most obvious targets -- SSPX, for starters, then any other highly-visible resistance groups.  As the Nati has been the most populous/active spot in perhaps all of Traddieland since day one, it only makes sense that the enemies would seek to infiltrate and sow discord in such a place. They have done their job well.

    Now, for the love of God and all that is decent, pray for the repose of the soul of Bishop Dolan, Fr. Cekada, and any and all deceased priests you have met or heard of, and let this thread end with simple, prayerful posts for a man whose time on earth has ended.  We will all soon face a judgment the likes of which should make us tremble and weep.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #161 on: May 01, 2022, 07:31:00 AM »
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  • So up here in NE Ohio, my neck of the woods, we have, within about 30-40 minutes of each other:

    1) SSPX chapel/school in Richfield, OH (developing into a priory I think).
    2) SSPX mission chapel in Girard, OH
    --I live about halfway between these 2
    3) Independent SSPX-aligned chapel (Akron, OH)
    4) SSPV chapel in Parma, OH
    5) CMRI chapel in Akron, OH
    6) two Motu Masses in Akron, OH (not to mention a few in Cleveland)
    7) probably a dozen Eastern Rite churches

    Strangely here, unlike Cincinnati, there's a generous ebb and flow of people among these chapels.  Quite a few people who went to CMRI chapel went to school at the SSPX-aligned independent chapel (went to daily Mass and communion also).  Father Jenkins has no issues giving communion to SSPXers (including those of us from the Independent chapel).  In fact, a member of Father Jenkins' chapel has taught for years at the school of the independent SSPX-aligned priest.  Probably the odd man out here would be people from the CMRI chapel in Akron would not be welcome at Father Jenkins' St. Therese chapel.  But otherwise, you have people flowing back and forth between CMRI, Motu, independent, SSPX, etc.  That's how it should be really.  In this crisis, NOBODY has the authority to bind consciences on the controverted issues facing us.

    So I think that the big differences between SGG and Fr. Jenkins:

    Fr. Jenkins is OK with giving the Sacraments to una cuм people, whereas SGG is (reportedly) not.  Fr. Jenkins is much less dogmatic about SVism.

    Meanwhile, SGG is OK with the CMRI and +Thuc lines, whereas Fr. Jenkins is decidedly not.

    Strangely, EVERYBODY hates Feeneyites, although I believe SSPX will tolerate them, given them the Sacraments, as long as they don't prosletyze.

    Recently of course there was a major falling out between Bishop Sanborn and Bishop Dolan, whereas the two had worked very closely for many years (both OK with +Thuc lines, same dogmatic SVish theology).  But they were on the point of excommunicating each other over SVism vs. Sedeprivationism.  Talk about elevating theological opinion to the level of dogma!

    And then there was some kind of major falling out between Bishop Kelly and Fr. Jenkins that I still can't get the full details about from someone who's a member of Fr. Jenkins chapel.  It seems to be kept somewhat hush-hush.

    So the offshoots of The Nine, although they share very similar theological positions, still have managed to find ways to excommunicae one another.

    This is absurd and childish and has done great harm.  Nobody has the authority to bind consciences.  If I were a priest and though +Thuc line was doubtful, I would admonish the faithful that I believed their souls were at risk, but I would not bar them from the Sacraments.  Their opinion about the validity of the +Thuc lines doesn't make them non-Catholics, and Catholics have a right to receive the Sacraments.  Even though I have a "strict" view of EENS, I would not bar from the Sacraments someone who believed in BoD.  Etc. etc. about every position that hasn't been dogmatically settled by the Church.  THIS elevation of theological opinion to the level of dogma absent Church authority, and thereby effectively a usurpation of an authority that belongs only to the Church, is and has been the bane of the Traditional movement.  It's the result of the flock being scattered due to the Shepherd having been struck.

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #162 on: May 01, 2022, 07:46:16 AM »
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  • Also, mature Catholics who had doubts about one another's Orders would do the Catholic and charitable thing of simply conditionally consecrating one another and then conditionally ordaining all their priests.  Problem solved, and they could start working with one another and spreading out instead of competing for the same turf in the same metropolitan regions.  Why do we need 10 different chapels in NE Ohio and a bunch in Cincinnati when many parts of the country are lacking in access to Traditional Mass and Sacraments?  There's a large hole in Columbus ... about halfway between Cleveland and Columbus, and a big shortage in Indiana ... just to name a few of many.

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #163 on: May 01, 2022, 08:24:04 AM »
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  • Just to clear some things up, since there is a lot of discussion— Bishop da Silva is coming to offer the funeral Mass. There are currently no concrete arrangements for the upcoming ordination of the four young deacons, but that is currently being worked out.

    The next year or so will determine the future of SGG. Bishop da Silva is bad news.

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #164 on: May 01, 2022, 09:37:46 AM »
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  • Just to clear some things up, since there is a lot of discussion— Bishop da Silva is coming to offer the funeral Mass. There are currently no concrete arrangements for the upcoming ordination of the four young deacons, but that is currently being worked out.

    The next year or so will determine the future of SGG. Bishop da Silva is bad news.
    Update: it was announced today that the seminarians will be ordained next week.