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Offline Mysterium Fidei

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Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
« Reply #120 on: April 30, 2022, 11:36:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 30, 2022, 10:56:47 AM
    :facepalm: of course they are ... the one great heresy of our times.

    Bishop Sanborn needs to rethink that whole thing.  In a debate some time ago, Dr. Fastiggi took him to task over his statement that non-Catholics could be saved while claiming that V2 ecclesiology is heretical.

    MAJOR:  No Salvation Outside the Church.
    MINOR:  Non-Catholics can be saved.
    CONCLUSION:  Catholic Church includes non-Catholics. [=V2 ecclesiology which +Sanborn claims is heretical.]
    I was merely making a factual correction. I have no intention of getting into a debate with Feeyeyites.
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    Offline Mysterium Fidei

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #121 on: April 30, 2022, 11:39:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: LeDeg on April 30, 2022, 11:08:36 AM
    +Sanborn has stated on True Restoration radio that he will not give Holy Communion to those that he knows attend the SSPX Masses. I heard it from his own mouth.
    Could you reference the episode where he said that please. I am a member of True Restoration and would like to hear exactly what he said so I can have reference to the context in which it was said.
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #122 on: April 30, 2022, 11:58:29 AM »
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    • Here are the official Communion Rules for St Gertrude's:

    http://www.sgg.org/for-newcomers/communion-rules/



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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #123 on: April 30, 2022, 12:31:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 30, 2022, 11:58:29 AM
    Here are the official Communion Rules for St Gertrude's:

    http://www.sgg.org/for-newcomers/communion-rules/
    Not seeing anything about them vetting your opinion on the una cuм Mass or sedeprivationism :clown:
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #124 on: April 30, 2022, 12:58:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on April 30, 2022, 12:31:07 PM
    Not seeing anything about them vetting your opinion on the una cuм Mass or sedeprivationism :clown:

    Well, they probably wouldn't put that in a "newcomers" section in that they would have no idea what a "una cuм" Mass is.  I feel that Pax's information is reliable, coming from family who live in the Cincy area.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #125 on: April 30, 2022, 01:57:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on April 30, 2022, 12:31:07 PM
    Not seeing anything about them vetting your opinion on the una cuм Mass or sedeprivationism :clown:
    Sounds as if they give out communion indiscriminately since traditionalists don't need to be reminded about no communion in the hand. But SSPX does the same thing, too. 
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #126 on: April 30, 2022, 02:44:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on April 28, 2022, 07:49:11 PM
    I won't go as far as to say the individual priests of the Neo-SSPX are wholly ignorant of the needs of the faithful, but it's clear that the mission has shifted to one of complacency with Rome. We've discussed it on here before, but they really should alter the structure of the Society to assign priests to specific areas, like a parish priest, rather than having them clustered in one central location and traveling all over. Really limiting their availability.

    Agree, but as you said in your post, that is not what they are doing. The SSPX is obsessed with building high-priced monuments, which cost a fortune and often take years to complete (if they are ever finished). I will give you an example of incompetency and wasted resources in Florida.

    There are two missions, one in Miramar Beach, which has a population of 8,3565.00. There is another mission in Brooksville, Florida(Bishop Sanborn’s stomping grounds). And it has a population of 8,200.00.

    Miami-Dade County, which has a population of 2.8 million(and the most Catholics of any part of the state), does not have a mission and has zero priests. How does that make any sense? If this were a corporation, the person in charge would have been fired for gross incompetency.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #127 on: April 30, 2022, 03:21:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on April 30, 2022, 02:44:04 PM
    Agree, but as you said in your post, that is not what they are doing. The SSPX is obsessed with building high-priced monuments, which cost a fortune and often take years to complete (if they are ever finished). I will give you an example of incompetency and wasted resources in Florida.

    There are two missions, one in Miramar Beach, which has a population of 8,3565.00. There is another mission in Brooksville, Florida(Bishop Sanborn’s stomping grounds). And it has a population of 8,200.00.

    Miami-Dade County, which has a population of 2.8 million(and the most Catholics of any part of the state), does not have a mission and has zero priests. How does that make any sense? If this were a corporation, the person in charge would have been fired for gross incompetency.
    "Miami, Florida.  You will never find a more wretched hive of scuм and villainy."  -- Obi Wan.

    Perhaps there are an insufficient number of Catholics to support a mission chapel.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #128 on: April 30, 2022, 03:23:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 30, 2022, 12:58:12 PM
    Well, they probably wouldn't put that in a "newcomers" section in that they would have no idea what a "una cuм" Mass is.  I feel that Pax's information is reliable, coming from family who live in the Cincy area.
    Oh come on.  One can easily write it to say "masses in union with Francis" if they don't know what "una cuм" means.  

    As for the anecdotes on this thread, if they are true and that was the only reason why they were not allowed to receive communion, then SGG should rewrite their communion rules to reflect that.  I don't like that the SSPV doesn't allow Thuc line sympathizers/parishioners to receive communion, but I'd rather they be upfront about it in their bulletins rather than be coy about it.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #129 on: April 30, 2022, 03:31:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on April 30, 2022, 03:21:16 PM
    "Miami, Florida.  You will never find a more wretched hive of scuм and villainy."  -- Obi Wan.

    Perhaps there are an insufficient number of Catholics to support a mission chapel.
    LOL...yeah, like having one in the state of Vermont.  :laugh1:
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #130 on: April 30, 2022, 03:38:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 30, 2022, 03:23:36 PM
    Oh come on.  One can easily write it to say "masses in union with Francis" if they don't know what "una cuм" means. 

    Nonsense.  Do you really believe that Novus Ordites would even know what the expression "Masses in union with Francis" would mean?  You overestimate the catechesis of Novus Ordites by orders of magnitude.

    I trust Pax that they would refuse Communion to una cuм ... but that probably refers to the more pertinacious types, and not the casual Novus Ordite.

    Presumably also they would write "no Communion in the Hand" and make mention of "please see the priest if you're coming from the New Mass" to make sure they even have valid Sacraments (Baptism, Confession, marriage, etc.) before approaching Holy Communion.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #131 on: April 30, 2022, 04:01:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 30, 2022, 03:38:42 PM
    Nonsense.  Do you really believe that Novus Ordites would even know what the expression "Masses in union with Francis" would mean?  You overestimate the catechesis of Novus Ordites by orders of magnitude.

    I trust Pax that they would refuse Communion to una cuм ... but that probably refers to the more pertinacious types, and not the casual Novus Ordite.

    Presumably also they would write "no Communion in the Hand" and make mention of "please see the priest if you're coming from the New Mass" to make sure they even have valid Sacraments (Baptism, Confession, marriage, etc.) before approaching Holy Communion.
    Regardless of what they would write specifically, the point is that they would write something for newcomers to make sure they understand and that they do not receive communion if they were coming on board una cuм Francis... IF that was SGG's blanket policy as is being pushed in this thread.

    But they don't.  If it is, then they should.

    And with that, I'm out of this thread since, as of page 6 or so, it is no longer about Bishop Dolan's death.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #132 on: April 30, 2022, 04:23:25 PM »
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    • To clarify, I don't think the ban is a blanket one.  It's not like people are turned away every week.  I've heard of feeneyites being denied and also other random people who openly disagreed with SGG on this or that.  I think the "una cuм" was used as a catch-all explanation from SGG clerics to the parishioners, to explain what happened after the fact.  The point being, the SGG knew the Trads that they turned away.

    The Cincy area has 3 different chapels (sspx, Fr Jenkins, +Dolan/Fr Cekada) being within 30-40 minutes of one another, all with very different Trad flavors.  The controversy arises when the youngsters start dating from different chapels, because then the different clerics have to "lay down the law" on a) feenyism, b) sedevacantism, c) una cuм, d) pro-rome, e) not switching chapels, f) home school vs chapel school, g) etc etc.

    SGG is definitely wrong in their "turf war" but so is the sspx and Fr Jenkins.  All 3 groups have contributed to the nonsense, conflict and family turmoil.  There are many, many stories where a couple got married at one of the chapels, and one of the spouses' families won't speak to them.  The clerics condone and contribute to these tragedies.  It's still going on.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #133 on: April 30, 2022, 04:38:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on April 30, 2022, 03:21:16 PM
    "Miami, Florida.  You will never find a more wretched hive of scuм and villainy."  -- Obi Wan.

    Perhaps there are an insufficient number of Catholics to support a mission chapel.

    I'm sure that's what the early Christians said to the Romans OR St. Paul said to the Corinthians. There seems to be this attitude among modern-day Catholics that we should stay in our own safe space, and all will be well. Guess what? Eventually, that safe space isn't going to be so safe.

    And yes, there was an SSPX chapel in Miami. It was willed to the SSPX by an independent priest who died prematurely. The SSPX sold off the chapel late last year. The small chapel was packed every Sunday.







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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #134 on: April 30, 2022, 04:43:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 30, 2022, 03:31:00 PM
    LOL...yeah, like having one in the state of Vermont.  :laugh1:

    Or sin city having a chapel. :laugh1:


    https://fsspx.today/chapel/las-vegas/info/
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