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Offline Clarinha

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Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
« Reply #90 on: April 29, 2022, 06:15:20 PM »
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    • Wow. All the speculations here. Y’all are way out of the loop. Bishop Rodrigo da Silva, consecrated last feast of St. Michael will be the bishop performing the fueneral
    Rites. He began his travels today. 
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #91 on: April 29, 2022, 06:42:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on April 29, 2022, 06:11:39 PM
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    Is it? I had it on the authority of a good friend, an honest man (former contributor to a particular trad outlet, in fact) who had it from a family member it happened to.

    Should I bother to ask what this person's name is? I can't exactly prove a negative, but I do know that Bp. Dolan gave people the sacraments who went to the una cuм Mass, so for an even greater reason it would make even less sense to refuse the sacraments to someone who held a different brand of sedevacantism than he did.

    The idea of a sedevacantist chapel refuses the sacraments to people for holding a different theory on sedevacantism than they do is something unheard-of in America* since Vatican II, and it is highly unlikely that a place such as SGG, which is definitely on the easy-going side of things in the trad world, would be the first place for such a thing to happen.

    * I exclude the SSPV from this statement, though they are more or less sedevacantists, since those people are crazy enough to do almost anything.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #92 on: April 29, 2022, 06:43:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on April 29, 2022, 06:11:39 PM
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    Is it? I had it on the authority of a good friend, an honest man (former contributor to a particular trad outlet, in fact) who had it from a family member it happened to.

    The last thing I want to do is pass along a rumor, but I had taken it as fact considering my source.
    Sounds like it wasn't the most prudent thing to repeat here given we only have one anecdote and there is no proof of a formal policy. Has this policy ever been included in the bulletins or in any of the SGG clergy's announcements/sermons? 
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #93 on: April 29, 2022, 06:44:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 29, 2022, 06:06:43 PM
    This would be consistent with Bishop Dolan's having lableled it proximate to heresy.
    Maybe on paper, but not in the real world. Trad priests in general very rarely exclude people from the sacraments over a disagreement on issues related to the crisis in the Church. Sedevacantists are no exception to that rule. Bp. Sanborn has a public statement that he will not give the sacraments to people who attend an una cuм Mass in his bulletin, but that's about the only exception I can think of (again, excluding the SSPV from all of these general statements).
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #94 on: April 29, 2022, 06:46:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clarinha on April 29, 2022, 06:15:20 PM
    Wow. All the speculations here. Y’all are way out of the loop. Bishop Rodrigo da Silva, consecrated last feast of St. Michael will be the bishop performing the funeral
    Rites. He began his travels today.
    Thank you Clarinha.  It sounds like the quarantining is no longer a concern.  This makes the most sense in the end.    
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #95 on: April 29, 2022, 07:57:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clarinha on April 29, 2022, 06:15:20 PM
    Wow. All the speculations here. Y’all are way out of the loop. Bishop Rodrigo da Silva, consecrated last feast of St. Michael will be the bishop performing the fueneral
    Rites. He began his travels today.

    He’s a total joke.  

    Bishop Williamson made public repentance for ever having ordained him.

    Conveniently became sede just after his ordination.

    Wanted a coat of arms even as a simple priest.

    Concerned for his own glory.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #96 on: April 29, 2022, 08:01:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 29, 2022, 06:43:45 PM
    Sounds like it wasn't the most prudent thing to repeat here given we only have one anecdote and there is no proof of a formal policy. Has this policy ever been included in the bulletins or in any of the SGG clergy's announcements/sermons?

    Absolutely not. 

    It would seem that people are trying very hard to divide and diminish - without pausing to consider what their pastors have said repeatedly from the pulpit. 

    There is no division between the laity at SGG and those elsewhere. 

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #97 on: April 29, 2022, 08:25:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on April 29, 2022, 05:47:15 PM
    +Pivarunas might be the celebrant, but Stephen Heiner has been waging war on the CMRI and to most people it appears like a proxy war on behalf of SGG, whose corporate opinion of the CMRI has always been... shaky, I'll say.

    I had been under the impression that the "proxy war", on whomever's behalf it was, it was not Bishop Dolan.

    In fact, to this day, if you check the "Recommended Mass Centers" on the SGG website, you'll see the following:


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    Please see also the directory of Mass centers operated by:

    - The Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI)

    Hardly seems like Bishop Dolan's opinion of the CMRI has been all that shaky.  Perhaps not the best of times, but why would SGG recommend CMRI Mass Centers if they were at "war"?
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #98 on: April 29, 2022, 09:10:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 29, 2022, 07:57:42 PM
    He’s a total joke. 

    Bishop Williamson made public repentance for ever having ordained him.

    Conveniently became sede just after his ordination.

    Wanted a coat of arms even as a simple priest.

    Concerned for his own glory.


    Recall his English was poor, but his instincts on the Francis were spot-on, when he was still a seminarian.

    During a global genocide, Bp. Williamson can write weekly letters and Bishop Rodrigo da Silva can ordain priests.

    To each, his own Apostolic charism.



     

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #99 on: April 29, 2022, 10:37:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2022, 06:44:02 PM
    Bp. Sanborn has a public statement that he will not give the sacraments to people who attend an una cuм Mass in his bulletin...

    Such a stance is embarrassing and insane.  Irony of ironies, by treating such Catholics as public sinners he is, in fact, espousing and enforcing a publicly sinful, un-Catholic policy.  The SSPV has decades of similar baggage.  Such is Traddieland.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #100 on: April 29, 2022, 10:45:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on April 29, 2022, 05:47:15 PM
    Sedeprivationists were not allowed to receive Holy Communion at SGG.

    Ah, Traddieland, you never disappoint!  Everyone seems hell-bent upon outdoing each other where hypocrisy and unjustifiable policy are concerned.  Who would've guessed that the Sacraments would eventually be weaponized?
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #101 on: April 29, 2022, 11:24:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2022, 06:42:01 PM
    I do know that Bp. Dolan gave people the sacraments who went to the una cuм Mass...

    Perhaps, but I also know for a rock-solid, indisputable fact that he refused them to (at least some) such people in the past.  He even turned away one man who was the brother of a fellow SV/SP priest in Traddieland.  Said man's wife is an active member on CI, so I shall not divulge any more info.  Suffice it to say, sgg.org/cult has turned away more than most may realize, and for indefensible reasons.  They sought and encouraged "loyalty" to one's "parish" and greatly discouraged bouncing back and forth or remaining understandably impartial in the face of the endless, fruitless squabbling within Traddieland.

    Carry on. Godspeed.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #102 on: April 30, 2022, 06:17:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tedeum on April 29, 2022, 08:01:14 PM
    Absolutely not.

    It would seem that people are trying very hard to divide and diminish
    Yes, even when most folks were trying their best not to do it in this thread.  The genie is out of the bottle now.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #103 on: April 30, 2022, 06:24:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on April 29, 2022, 08:25:50 PM
    I had been under the impression that the "proxy war", on whomever's behalf it was, it was not Bishop Dolan.

    In fact, to this day, if you check the "Recommended Mass Centers" on the SGG website, you'll see the following:


    Hardly seems like Bishop Dolan's opinion of the CMRI has been all that shaky.  Perhaps not the best of times, but why would SGG recommend CMRI Mass Centers if they were at "war"?
    Interestingly enough, Most Holy Trinity Seminary is also included.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #104 on: April 30, 2022, 07:26:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on April 29, 2022, 06:42:01 PM
    The idea of a sedevacantist chapel refuses the sacraments to people for holding a different theory on sedevacantism than they do is something unheard-of in America* since Vatican II, and it is highly unlikely that a place such as SGG, which is definitely on the easy-going side of things in the trad world, would be the first place for such a thing to happen.

    So you're reason for saying that it didn't happen is that you don't believe they would do that?  Bishop Dolan accused the sedeprivationists of being "proximate to heresy", so I don't believe this is too far-fetched.
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