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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #150 on: May 19, 2022, 01:46:35 PM »
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    Okay... I'm guilty of rash judgement
    Some on this site are; not necessarily you.  The point is, until +Vigano is proven to be part of Opus Dei, then shouldn't he be given the benefit of the doubt on "not doing x thing" to save the Church?

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #151 on: May 19, 2022, 02:41:17 PM »
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  • Some on this site are; not necessarily you.  The point is, until +Vigano is proven to be part of Opus Dei, then shouldn't he be given the benefit of the doubt on "not doing x thing" to save the Church?
    How do we know that Francis isn't being blackmailed and forced to speak heresy in order to save his reputation, family, insert reason here? Shouldn't he be given the benefit of the doubt rather than being condemned by so many outside of authority as a heretic? Maybe they replaced the real Francis with a double and the authentic Francis is just a swell guy.

    There are a lot of what-ifs, but it's not an issue of there being rash judgments made based on our sede imaginations. That you aren't convinced or haven't looked into it is a different issue.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #152 on: May 19, 2022, 03:04:00 PM »
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    There are a lot of what-ifs, but it's not an issue of there being rash judgments made based on our sede imaginations.
    I didn't use "rash judgement" in my original post.  I am more speaking of illegitimate criticisms, which boils down to false expectations.  Again, it's illogical to argue that "I can't trust +Vigano because he isn't doing "x" and/or he's not calling out "y".  Maybe your expectations are out of bounds with reality?  Some are.  That's my point.




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    That you aren't convinced or haven't looked into it is a different issue.
    I'm open to reading about +Vigano's opus dei connections.  Such criticisms aren't mainstream, even for this site.  First I've heard of it on here.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #153 on: May 19, 2022, 03:44:19 PM »
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  • Nevermind that what he HAS done is the following:
    1.  Condemned V2 as heretical and unorthodox
    2.  Condemned all V2 popes
    3.  Indirectly condemned the new mass, calling for everyone to return to Traditional rites
    4.  Called out +Francis' heresies and errors, supporting the "Dubia letter"
    5.  Called out the "Great Reset", satanism in politics, the covid lie, the war against the natural law, the family and Faith.
    6.  Called out new-rome's leaders as being part of the "Deep State" and also that many "conservative" Cardinals/bishops are lukewarm.
    7.  Supported +Williamson, +ABL and all Traditionally-minded catholics.
    8.  Exposed the corruption, pedophilia and infiltration in the Church.


    And what is so valuable about any of this? Most people on this forum do most of the things in that list many times every single day. :sleep:

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #154 on: May 19, 2022, 03:44:51 PM »
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  • How do we know that Francis isn't being blackmailed and forced to speak heresy in order to save his reputation, family, insert reason here? Shouldn't he be given the benefit of the doubt rather than being condemned by so many outside of authority as a heretic? Maybe they replaced the real Francis with a double and the authentic Francis is just a swell guy.
    There's a difference between observing repeated, external acts of apostasy and heresy, therefore he has proven himself to be an enemy of Christ. Whereas the other involves speculating that so-and-so must be an agent of Opus Dei or whatever because of some subjective observation about past connections, therefore he's an agent or whatever.

    +Vigano has done nothing but push further and further toward Catholic orthodoxy than even the neo-SSPX these days, as Pax pointed out:
    Nevermind that what he HAS done is the following:
    1.  Condemned V2 as heretical and unorthodox
    2.  Condemned all V2 popes
    3.  Indirectly condemned the new mass, calling for everyone to return to Traditional rites
    4.  Called out +Francis' heresies and errors, supporting the "Dubia letter"
    5.  Called out the "Great Reset", satanism in politics, the covid lie, the war against the natural law, the family and Faith.
    6.  Called out new-rome's leaders as being part of the "Deep State" and also that many "conservative" Cardinals/bishops are lukewarm.
    7.  Supported +Williamson, +ABL and all Traditionally-minded catholics.
    8.  Exposed the corruption, pedophilia and infiltration in the Church.

    What's happening here is that +Vigano is not living up to the expectations we ourselves have formed (i.e. subjectively) about certain pet cօռspιʀαcιҽs, therefore, he must be working for the "other side". Until it is proven that he is still working with/for Opus Dei, condemning him as if he is an enemy is slander.

    We've been in this Crisis so long that everyone has their own opinion on who is aligned with what nefarious group that it's impossible to have any trust in anyone legitimately converting, as +Vigano has shown he is in the process of doing.
    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "For the letter killeth, but the spirit quickeneth." [2 Cor. 3:6]


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #155 on: May 19, 2022, 03:56:09 PM »
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  • I didn't use "rash judgement" in my original post.  I am more speaking of illegitimate criticisms, which boils down to false expectations.  Again, it's illogical to argue that "I can't trust +Vigano because he isn't doing "x" and/or he's not calling out "y".  Maybe your expectations are out of bounds with reality?  Some are.  That's my point.
    Please excuse me, then. I must not be keeping up well IRT to the first sentence. A priori I don't have any expectations of Fr. Vigano because he is a highly public and well-funded figure, but that's before examining the evidence. We live in an era of universal deceit and massive propaganda. It's a reasonable assumption that anyone with media coverage is compromised to some degree and requires examination before trust.

    I'm open to reading about +Vigano's opus dei connections.  Such criticisms aren't mainstream, even for this site.  First I've heard of it on here.
    I will see what I can do if someone doesn't beat me to it. I have a long-term project of collating sources, but I am one man and it takes a lot of time. If I get that far it will be in a topic all its own.