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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
« Reply #210 on: May 02, 2022, 11:28:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Simeon on May 02, 2022, 10:42:12 AM
    I've been thinking for a long time that when God finally intervenes, the boat will depart leaving the trad clergy on the dock.

    On the Feast of St. Athanasius, let’s consider the honorable aspects of the independent trad Catholic priest?

    In our overwhelmingly judaized world, the trad priest is truly a sheep amongst wolves.  There is very little support and many adversaries.  

    As long as they don’t mislead the remnant, they should be rewarded in Heaven.

    But for trad priests who knowingly compromise the Faith, deceive the faithful and do little to save souls, their chastisement is coming.


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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #211 on: May 02, 2022, 11:46:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on May 02, 2022, 05:17:21 AM
    Iirc, generally, they don't do autopsies on people over the age of 60(?) unless specifically requested or related to a crime.
    Thanks for responding DL.  I still don't know where I got the idea that one was being done, but I am retracting it.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #212 on: May 02, 2022, 09:55:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on April 30, 2022, 08:58:50 PM
    If you are going to sell a chapel that has been celebrating the Latin mass for more than 30 years. You first have to get on the pulpit, look the parishioners in the eye, and tell them so. Then you have to make accommodations for them to receive the sacraments. If it means moving to a temporary warehouse, so be it--moving to another county is not the answer.
    This is what the SSPX does though right?  I listened a Bp Dolan interview from several years ago and he said SSPX would just toss priests to the wind if they didn't toe the party line or had any issues.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #213 on: May 02, 2022, 10:24:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 02, 2022, 11:28:40 AM
    On the Feast of St. Athanasius, let’s consider the honorable aspects of the independent trad Catholic priest?

    In our overwhelmingly judaized world, the trad priest is truly a sheep amongst wolves.  There is very little support and many adversaries. 

    As long as they don’t mislead the remnant, they should be rewarded in Heaven.

    But for trad priests who knowingly compromise the Faith, deceive the faithful and do little to save souls, their chastisement is coming.
    The blame is also on the bishops for not doing proper vetting and ordaining people who have zero business being priests.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #214 on: May 03, 2022, 08:57:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Durango77 on May 02, 2022, 09:55:09 PM
    This is what the SSPX does though right?  I listened a Bp Dolan interview from several years ago and he said SSPX would just toss priests to the wind if they didn't toe the party line or had any issues.

    Not only that, but they eliminate from the seminary any but the mindless +Fellayite yes-men.  There's a problem when you have classes of 25-30 starting out and end up in 1-4 ordinations every year.  And it isn't because 25 of them were poor quality to being with.  In fact, the 1-4 ordained are usually the ones you didn't think would make it because they weren't too bright and barely passed any of their classes.

    I recall that my brother, God rest his soul, got sent packing (after 4 years there and all the Minor Orders) ... because he dared to accuse one Father Carlos Urrutigoity of being a Modernist.  And, for the record, this accusation was not made publicly but in spiritual direction ... which was then leaked out to the seminary staff.  That was a horrific scandal that things mentioned in spiritual direction were leaked.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #215 on: May 03, 2022, 09:06:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 03, 2022, 08:57:03 AM
    Not only that, but they eliminate from the seminary any but the mindless +Fellayite yes-men.  There's a problem when you have classes of 25-30 starting out and end up in 1-4 ordinations every year.  And it isn't because 25 of them were poor quality to being with.  In fact, the 1-4 ordained are usually the ones you didn't think would make it because they weren't too bright and barely passed any of their classes.

    I recall that my brother, God rest his soul, got sent packing (after 4 years there and all the Minor Orders) ... because he dared to accuse one Father Carlos Urrutigoity of being a Modernist.  And, for the record, this accusation was not made publicly but in spiritual direction ... which was then leaked out to the seminary staff.  That was a horrific scandal that things mentioned in spiritual direction were leaked.
    A lot of ex-STAS people would've made fine priests. Truly. The traditional Roman Rite should've had an option for these ex-seminarians to be permanent deacons or subdeacons a la the Byzantines.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #216 on: May 03, 2022, 03:18:48 PM »
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #217 on: May 06, 2022, 05:01:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 02, 2022, 07:22:18 AM

    Those are straightforward, non political Holy Communion rules!
    But from http://www.fathercekada.com/2014/07/31/what-to-do-if-you-have-no-mass/

    What to Do If You Have No Mass

    Ten Tips from Bishop Daniel L. Dolan
     
    I AM OFTEN asked, “What should I do if I have no Mass?”
    First, it is not a sin to miss Mass due to great distance or other serious excusing circuмstances. It is a sin, however, to attend the Novus Ordo. It is also a sin, objectively speaking, to assist at an otherwise valid traditional Latin Mass that is offered in union with the modernist false “pope” and his hierarchy. (For an explanation, see Grain of Incense: Sedevacantists and Una cuм Masses, and Should I Assist at a Mass that Names Benedict XVI in the Canon?) The Church would never have permitted such assistance in the past. It is a lie, it is a sacrilege, and it is grievously offensive to Almighty God.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #218 on: May 06, 2022, 05:46:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: trento on May 06, 2022, 05:01:26 AM
    But from http://www.fathercekada.com/2014/07/31/what-to-do-if-you-have-no-mass/

    The Church would never have permitted such assistance in the past.

    I don't believe that this is true.  Even the highly-dogmatic Dimond Brothers have produced evidence that the Church has in fact permitted this.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #219 on: May 06, 2022, 06:26:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 06, 2022, 05:46:06 AM
    I don't believe that this is true.  Even the highly-dogmatic Dimond Brothers have produced evidence that the Church has in fact permitted this.
    Yep. Their position on the "una cuм" issue is essentially the same as my own, there's no precedent in Church history to support the claim that is it ipso-facto a mortal sin to assist at these Masses.
    And the Church DID permit such assistance in the past, contra their claims.

    https://bit.ly/3Fq9Zb9

    To quote them: "Would you say that Padre Pio's Mass was sacrilegious?"
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #220 on: May 06, 2022, 06:48:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on May 06, 2022, 06:26:07 AM
    To quote them: "Would you say that Padre Pio's Mass was sacrilegious?"

    And St. Vincent Ferrer offered Mass while naming an Antipope.  Were his Masses also sacrilegeous?
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #221 on: May 06, 2022, 06:50:03 AM »
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    • There's audio of a discussion between Br. Peter and someone discussing the te igitur, which is worth listening to. The basic premise is that this prayer is supposed to show unity with the chair of Peter, not the man occupying it, which is accidental.

    Further, John Daly noted that it's no different than the te igitur in English Masses which mention the King of England, an Anglican heretic.

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    It is worth noting that in the Sarum rite, then in general use in England, the King is named in the Canon, so that St. Thomas More not only received the Holy Eucharist from a priest who had sworn the Oath, but assisted at Mass in which Henry was actually named in the Te igitur.
    https://bit.ly/39054li

    Quote from: Ladislaus on May 06, 2022, 06:48:11 AM
    And St. Vincent Ferrer offered Mass while naming an Antipope.  Were his Masses also sacrilegeous?
    Precisely. St. Vincent during the Western Schism is another great example of the te igitur. Sure, the non una cuм dogmatist could say these antipopes were "orthodox", but their orthodoxy doesn't matter when they were not Popes to begin with. Therefore, by their logic, St. Vincent is still committing a sacrilege. Its ridiculous. 
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #222 on: May 06, 2022, 07:44:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 02, 2022, 05:21:27 AM
    The list is extensive.

    Greenwood, Indiana


    With lawyers and a few pro SSPX members at his side,
    Fr. Rostand, tells the Chapel's independent Board to give the SSPX the chapel
    or they will open one down the street and put them out of business.
    Exactly why Fr. Schell, God rest his soul, never wanted the congregation to own a chapel.

    Now they do and without Fr. Perez, or a valid trad priest at the helm, it may be another casualty of sspx intervention.
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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #223 on: May 06, 2022, 07:50:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 06, 2022, 05:46:06 AM
    I don't believe that this is true.  Even the highly-dogmatic Dimond Brothers have produced evidence that the Church has in fact permitted this.

    It appears the anti-Pope Anacletus II, in 1130 is the precedent case for our current situation.

    He was a Jєω cardinal who had bribed his way into the office.  The Vatican archives, unless purged by Rampolla and other masonic-modernist popes, must surely have docuмented the situation?  Definitely "valid Sacraments" from the Jєω pope versus Pope Innocent II were at the center of the controversy.

    The Holy See at the time, appears to have struck a compromise on Sacramental validity after Anacletus died and Pope Innocent was re-installed.
    This was accomplished with the help of a Catholic army accompanying St. Bernard of Clairvaux.  

    The most striking point of this era, is that St. Bernard was heavily lobbying Church authorities in different nations to stand-up against, Anacletus's schism.
    You can read about this in his bio in Butler's Lives of the Saints.
     
    Sadly, no one today campaigns to overturn the Bergolio schism :facepalm:

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    Re: Bp Daniel Dolan has died
    « Reply #224 on: May 06, 2022, 07:54:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 06, 2022, 06:48:11 AM
    And St. Vincent Ferrer offered Mass while naming an Antipope.  Were his Masses also sacrilegeous?
    Yeah, he was a Saint who made an error backing an anti-Pope.
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