Author Topic: Boy, do I have some good news for you! (Read 3324 times)

Oatmeal · « **on:** April 08, 2014, 10:45:08 PM »

"One must not blame someone for following his or her conscience when it is formed by the Word of God and has reached its judgments after serious deliberation with others." -Report of the Lutheran-Roman Catholic Commission for Unity (232).

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/lutheran-fed-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_2013_dal-conflitto-alla-comunione_en.html

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Marlelar · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2014, 12:09:45 AM »

I assume you mean that in a sarcastic manner? It is gut-wrenching news not good news :really-mad2:

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The gospel should be celebrated and communicated to the people of our time so that the world may believe that God gives Godself to human beings and calls us into communion with Godself and God’s church. Herein lies the basis for our joy in our common faith.

GodSELF???? Methinks the feminαzιs had a hand in this too.

link

So far I've only read the "Forward" and it is turning my stomach :barf: And this is what the SSPX wants to rejoin????

Marsha

Charlemagne · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2014, 01:15:22 AM »

How any person with even a modicuм of sensus Catholicus honestly believes that these filthy apostates still hold any type of authority in the Church boggles my mind. To see supposed representatives of the Church go to the great extreme of attempting to rehabilitate a foul-mouthed, flaming heretic like the Antichrist Luther - just as they'll crown their other Antichrist on April 27 - is just further proof that we are, without doubt, living in the Great Apostasy. "Go out from her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues."

crossbro · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2014, 02:14:31 AM »

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"One must not blame someone for following his or her conscience when it is formed by the Word of God and has reached its judgments after serious deliberation with others."

Perhaps, but God is still going to fry your butt.

andysloan · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2014, 06:30:25 AM »

Charlemagne said:

"How any person with even a modicuм of sensus Catholicus honestly believes that these filthy apostates still hold any type of authority in the Church boggles my mind. To see supposed representatives of the Church go to the great extreme of attempting to rehabilitate a foul-mouthed, flaming heretic like the Antichrist Luther - just as they'll crown their other Antichrist on April 27 - is just further proof that we are, without doubt, living in the Great Apostasy. "Go out from her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues."

Oh, I thank-you and praise you Charlemagne that you are not like other men!

But I beg that if Pope John Paul 2 did manage to get to heaven, when he serves you at High Table in eternity, please do remember mercy and please do not deal with him so harshly. Please sir!! Remember, not everyone is so exalted as thee!

I apologise most humbly if you find my plea impertinent.

Sorry!

Thank-you.

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2014, 06:47:12 AM »

Quote from: Oatmeal

"One must not blame someone for following his or her conscience when it is formed by the Word of God and has reached its judgments after serious deliberation with others." -Report of the Lutheran-Roman Catholic Commission for Unity (232).

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/lutheran-fed-docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_2013_dal-conflitto-alla-comunione_en.html

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Isn't it interesting that, by Conciliar standards, sedevacantism is a perfectly acceptable opinion to hold as long as it is "formed by the Word of God" and "reached...after serious deliberation with others"?

You Conciliarists should follow the teachings of your church and stop condemning sedevacantists and just accept them as your church accepts Lutherans, Hindus, Mohammedans, and Jєωs.

TKGS · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2014, 06:52:57 AM »

The introduction to the docuмent referenced in the opening post:

Quote from: Lutheran-Catholic Common Commemoration of the Reformation in 2017

1. In 2017, Lutheran and Catholic Christians will commemorate together the 500th anniversary of the beginning of the Reformation. Lutherans and Catholics today enjoy a growth in mutual understanding, cooperation, and respect. They have come to acknowledge that more unites than divides them: above all, common faith in the Triune God and the revelation in Jesus Christ, as well as recognition of the basic truths of the doctrine of justification.

2. Already the 450th anniversary of the Augsburg Confession in 1980 offered both Lutherans and Catholics the opportunity to develop a common understanding of the foundational truths of the faith by pointing to Jesus Christ as the living center of our Christian faith.(1) On the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther’s birth in 1983, the international dialogue between Roman Catholics and Lutherans jointly affirmed a number of Luther’s essential concerns. The commission’s report designated him “Witness to Jesus Christ” and declared, “Christians, whether Protestant or Catholic, cannot disregard the person and the message of this man.”(2)

3. The upcoming year of 2017 challenges Catholics and Lutherans to discuss in dialogue the issues and consequences of the Wittenberg Reformation, which centered on the person and thought of Martin Luther, and to develop perspectives for the remembrance and appropriation of the Reformation today. Luther’s reforming agenda poses a spiritual and theological challenge for both contemporary Catholics and Lutherans.

The next three years are going to be interesting for Conciliarists.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2014, 07:02:33 AM »

So, they're effectively celebrating schism. Are they daft?

ancien regime · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2014, 07:52:08 AM »

Quote from: JezusDeKoning

So, they're effectively celebrating schism. Are they daft?

In a word . . . yes!

Certifiably!

andysloan · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:08:04 AM »

To TKGS,

What you don't understand is that everything is not "black and white", "us and them".

And I speak as a member of the SSPX resistance.

Pope John Paul 2 had high wisdom. He knew that he could not restore the Latin Mass because there was insufficient grace in hearts across the church (lukewarmness) to accept to its light.

Luke 23:31

"For if in the green wood they do these things, what shall be done in the dry?"

He sagely recognised that if he tried to do so (even if the impediment of the superforce in the Vatican permitted this) he would schism the whole church and make the situation even worse.

Thus he had to wait for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart when tremendous graces will be released to the world and the restoration can take place.

He had to content himself with largely going on the road and preaching the Gospel.

The following analysis of Fr Malachi Martin (even if you think him a charlatan) is sound:

(Listen 6 - 8 minutes in)

Moreover, given the parlous state of the church, he knew neither would he get sufficient co-operation from rebellious Bishops to make the consecration of Russia. So he did a consecration of the world to yield some graces for the world and indeed when asked in 1982 in Fatima why he had not consecrated Russia he said he had:

"tried to do everything possible in the concrete circuмstances."

The pharasaical manner of certain traditionalists in which they condemn everything about the conciliar church, as if anyone associated is unwashed is repugnant and ignorant. I know from personal experience that there are some in the Novus Ordo far more devout and holy than in the traditional movement. And our approach should be that while thanking God for the grace of being members of tradition, we be most assiduous in praying for all our brothers and sisters in the church. Tradition should not be confused with salvation and neither Novus Ordo with perdition!

Contrary to the blind condemnation of Charlemagne, Pope John Paul 2 was a slave of Mary according to the devotion taught by St Louis Marie and a suffering victim. That is why providence is having him canonized.

We have testimony on his last words.

"Let me go to the Father's house."

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=39699

He went largely in the imitation of Christ - suffering, misunderstood, rejected, insulted and despised.

Tiffany · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:18:57 AM »

How do you explain him allowing pedophiles to not only harm children but covering it up and helping them avoid civil prosecution and the anti-
Catholic things he taught like limiting family size?

TKGS · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:22:11 AM »

Quote from: andysloan

I speak as a member of the SSPX resistance.

Pope John Paul 2 had high wisdom. He knew that he could not restore the Latin Mass because there was insufficient grace in hearts across the church (lukewarmness) to accept to its light.

Plus the fact that he had absolutely no interest in restoring the Latin Mass because he hated it and he had no grace in his heart to accept it.

It is certainly a good thing that you do not speak for the SSPX resistance. Methinks that if Fr. Pfeiffer spoke as you do he would lose nearly the whole of the resistance and the two of you would be a very lonely lot.

Tiffany · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:22:56 AM »

Also what about throwing ABL under the bus? If he was really for Mass he would not have prohibited the consecrations.

Tiffany · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:24:28 AM »

TKGS the resistance are not sede.

andysloan · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2014, 08:42:35 AM »

To TKGS/Tiffany

As regards JP2 and the Latin Mass/ABL:

http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/15th-july-1989/16/a-near-miss-for-the-old-mass