Author Topic: Boniface The Worst Pope? (Read 2052 times)

roscoe · « **on:** July 23, 2009, 12:05:14 AM »

If I am wrong, and Boniface 8 (VIII?) is a real Pope then he has to be the worst Pope of all times: far surpassing Leo and Clement and also Urban 6(VI?) if he was a real Pope. Even Alex VI( whose character I have been able to rehabilitate to some extent thanks to a study of the heretic Savanarola) is not a bad Pope compared to them.

roscoe · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2009, 12:08:30 AM »

Fr Sturzo is much mistaken when he refers to Clem V as follows-- ' no Pope has sunk lower than....'

It is not accurate at all to refer to Clem V as a vassel of Philip.

roscoe · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2009, 12:24:59 AM »

Consider this post retracted-- Boniface is an anti-pope!!!!

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2009, 03:20:23 AM »

If there is presently no pope, many would likely be thrilled to have ANY pope at this point.

If there is a pope (BXVI), he is on a short list contending for the worst ever.

Either way, Boniface is DEAD. May he rest in peace. We are ALIVE. May God send us help. Godspeed.

CM · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2009, 01:24:16 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Consider this post retracted-- Boniface is an anti-pope!!!!

Then why do all the popes throughout history since Boniface VIII recognize him as POPE Boniface VIII?????????

CM · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2009, 01:25:13 PM »

They say he was a pope. You say he was not. You reject their authority. You are in schism.

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:53:09 PM »

O Chadwick-- History Of The Popes pg 404

'... and in 1913 Pius had to get rid of four popes from the past-- Boniface 6, who in 896 was illegally pushed into the see; Boniface 7, who in 974 strangled the Emperor's ambassador;.... John 16 and Benedict 10.'

I guess 3 at one time was to much for the Pope but some day Boniface 8 along with Ben 15 and maybe Urban 6 will be declared anti-popes also.

CM · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2009, 05:25:43 AM »

Roscoe, your facts are unreliable.

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia,

Boniface VI is listed as a true pope, despite some apparent controversy;

Boniface VII was already known to be an antipope in 1907;

John XVI was already known to be an antipope in 1910;

Benedict X was already known to be an antipope in 1907;

Would you care to revise your assertion, or is "...in 1913 Pius had to get rid of four popes from the past," your final statement?

roscoe · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2009, 11:10:18 AM »

Chadwick said it not me.

CM · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2009, 11:23:21 AM »

Well I guess you don't trust him anymore.

roscoe · « **Reply #10 on:** July 24, 2009, 11:39:29 PM »

Why sweat the small stuff?-- the action was taken by Pius X.

roscoe · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2009, 11:40:18 PM »

Are we gong to have to endure another rant re: BoD?

CM · « **Reply #12 on:** July 24, 2009, 11:46:17 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Why sweat the small stuff?-- the action was taken by Pius X.

??? How could that possibly be so, if these men were already recognized before he was pope?

BoD? Heresy! No excuse, if you've read all the decrees you have to deny infallibility to believe BoD.

roscoe · « **Reply #13 on:** July 24, 2009, 11:49:17 PM »

recognised as what?

CM · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2009, 05:30:56 AM »

Antipopes