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Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
« on: September 11, 2010, 12:35:15 AM »
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  • Belgian Report on Catholic Church Atrocities
    September 11th, 2010

    Via: AP:

    Hundreds of sex abuse victims have come forward in Belgium with harrowing accounts of molestation by Catholic clergy that reportedly led to at least 13 ѕυιcιdєs and affected children as young as two, an independent Belgian commission said Friday.

    Professor Peter Adriaenssens, chairman of the commission, said the abuse in Belgium may have been even more rampant than the 200-page report suggests, because his panel’s work was interrupted and all its files seized in a June 24 raid by Belgian judicial authorities who are conducting their own probe.

    Adriaenssens, a child psychiatrist who has worked with trauma victims for 23 years, said nothing had prepared him for the stories of abuse that blighted the lives of victims. He called the report’s findings “a body blow” to the Roman Catholic Church in Belgium.

    Belgian church authorities said they would react on Monday to the report. The Vatican had no immediate comment.

    The report’s findings are the latest embarrassment for Belgium’s Catholic Church, which is still reeling after the April resignation of Bruges Bishop Roger Vangheluwe, who admitted to having sɛҳuąƖly abused a nephew for years when he was a priest and bishop.

    Friday’s report lists 507 witnesses who came forward with stories of molestation at the hands of clergy over the past decades. It says those abused included children who were two, four, five and six years old.
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    Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
    « Reply #1 on: September 11, 2010, 12:38:41 AM »
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  • This was proudly posted by an agnostic of Irish descent -- no doubt he looks for ongoing justification for his apostasy and/or that of his immediate ancestors. I know the guy lived in California before he bugged out to New Zealand.

    He and I would agree on a lot (back to the land, farming, no TV, food/health, home schooling, going natural as much as possible, thinking for yourself, sound money, meaningful resistance, cօռspιʀαcιҽs, etc.) but if I hung out with him, we'd NEVER broach the topic of religion!

    I often wish I could talk to him about the Crisis. I don't know that it would get anywhere.
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    Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
    « Reply #2 on: September 11, 2010, 12:42:48 PM »
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  • Questioning your Cardinal's silence/ ignorance on the sex abuse scandal = "disobedience".

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2010/09/danneels-sincere-sympathy.html

    Alexandra Colen writes for The Brussels Journal:

    "Once again Belgium is in shock. Yesterday Professor Adriaenssens, the man who headed the committee that was established to collect and investigate instances of sɛҳuąƖ abuse and pedophilia in the Catholic Church in Belgium, presented his report [pdf] and conclusions. The extent and degree of abuse that turns out to have been widespread, is horrifying. The Belgian Cardinal Danneels’s response to the report is entirely in character. This man will never change. His spokesman said that Cardinal Danneels “once again expresses sincere sympathy with the victims and their families for the suffering that they experienced…” and adds some platitudes about structures and institutions. Yet for decades he was responsible for the fact that complaints by the victims and their families were ignored. He made himself scarce whenever churchgoers who encountered abuses appealed to him.

    In 1998 when I wished to discuss the content of the pedophile catechism manual Roeach that my children had to use at school, he employed his classic strategy: He made sure he knew nothing by avoiding any contact with the complaining party, and if they persevered he attempted to damage their credibility. In my case he repeatedly refused to receive a delegation of the hundreds of parents who stood at his door. In the press he questioned my motives and he sent others to reprimand me privately for being “disobedient” to the Church. Many parents came to me with accounts of similar experiences. Parents were fobbed off with vague comments and shush-shushing expressions of sympathy. Yet he was the one who should have conducted investigations and taken measures.

    The rampant pedophilia and child abuse in the Belgian Church is not, as some say, caused by structural inadequacies, but by individuals who refused to assume their responsibility. Each teacher or head of a school, each parish priest, bishop or archbishop who refused to take remarks or complaints by parents seriously, who neglected to take measures in their school, parish or diocese, has contributed to the culture in which pedophiles could do as they pleased and destroy the lives of hundreds, thousands of children and their families."

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    Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
    « Reply #3 on: September 11, 2010, 12:53:28 PM »
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  • How much lower can the Church sink?  And the worst part is that nothing has changed.  It is business as usual.  Still admitting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to diocesan seminaries, and the religious orders are full of them.  

    Whoever is holding back the Hand of God must be exceedingly powerful.  

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    « Reply #4 on: September 11, 2010, 01:23:32 PM »
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  • The worst is the Neo-Cath idea that to question your Bishop publicly based on his public actions equals "disobedience".

    Their logic would have us all be mute robots who sit idly by while our Bishop publicly compromises the faith, fails to defend it, defies Papal decrees, allows liturgical abuses, etc.

    The Neo-Caths decry the sex abuse, but perpetuate the false obedience to Bishops which allowed the sex abuse to continue for decades.


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    Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2010, 01:36:24 PM »
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  • The other day I ran into a novus ordo friend.  She was complaining to me about all of this and said that she is tired of hearing about it and can't we please just put it to rest and move on.   She went on to say that the whole world is a mess and getting worse.  She then asked me the billion dollar question:  How did this all happen?

    She is 72 years old and hasn't the foggiest notion of what has gone on in the Church, and when I told her, I don't think she believed a word of it.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 11, 2010, 01:46:40 PM »
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  • It is so incredible as to make it unbelievable to some.

    The revolutionaries did their work well, under the cover of "obedience" and over a long enough time that first small things were swallowed and then larger ones. Defenses to heresy were torn down, very subtly. Unless you were extremely educated on these matters, you could sense something wrong was happening but not enough to give you reason to resist back in their day. Doesn't the Bible say even the elect would be deceived if it were possible?


    At this point they have been lead by the nose for so long into this mess they honestly can't see how they got here. I believe it is truly a grace and a great responsibility to even be able to see this crisis for what it is. So many simply cannot see it. I believe, ironically, that the "conservatives" are the biggest road block to truly restoring anything. They have boxed us out, implementing a bunch of half-measures, not truly understanding the disease. They continually try to fight symptoms and get nowhere. They are blind.

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    Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
    « Reply #7 on: September 11, 2010, 01:52:23 PM »
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  • This is an excellent example of why a few of us, witnessing what we have in traditional circles, will not just shut up and "stop destroying the traditional movement".  

    The tactics of the Belgian warlocks are the same the world over.  It starts by people being selfish, and only caring about their own self-interest.

    Child abuse only thrives in silence.






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    Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
    « Reply #8 on: September 11, 2010, 02:13:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    It is so incredible as to make it unbelievable to some.

    The revolutionaries did their work well, under the cover of "obedience" and over a long enough time that first small things were swallowed and then larger ones. Defenses to heresy were torn down, very subtly. Unless you were extremely educated on these matters, you could sense something wrong was happening but not enough to give you reason to resist back in their day. Doesn't the Bible say even the elect would be deceived if it were possible?


    At this point they have been lead by the nose for so long into this mess they honestly can't see how they got here. I believe it is truly a grace and a great responsibility to even be able to see this crisis for what it is. So many simply cannot see it. I believe, ironically, that the "conservatives" are the biggest road block to truly restoring anything. They have boxed us out, implementing a bunch of half-measures, not truly understanding the disease. They continually try to fight symptoms and get nowhere. They are blind.


    They are blind indeed!


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    Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
    « Reply #9 on: September 11, 2010, 03:04:30 PM »
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  • Matthew - I don't feel that he posted it "proudly".  It doesn't sound the least bit biased - did he not give just the facts?  If you could talk to him what would you say?  What could you say - these are the facts.

    Alexandria - I know exactly how you feel about these older clueless Catholics.  I had the great grace, as stevusmagnus said, of having savvy Catholic friends in the 70's that clued me in as a young mother as to what was going on in the church, otherwise I wonder what would have happened to me.  Yes, we need to speak out just like they did in the beginning.  
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    Body-blow for the Catholic Church in Belgium
    « Reply #10 on: September 11, 2010, 03:24:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    This is an excellent example of why a few of us, witnessing what we have in traditional circles, will not just shut up and "stop destroying the traditional movement".  

    The tactics of the Belgian warlocks are the same the world over.  It starts by people being selfish, and only caring about their own self-interest.

    Child abuse only thrives in silence.


    It would be foolish to think that Traditionalists don't have the same forces working against them.  Liberalism appeals to traditionalists as much as it does to others sometimes and in some ways.   And then there's the Pharisaism.  As Stevus said, the changes they make are subtle - often difficult to criticize too forcefully.  But the effects occur, inevitably.

    May God save us from bad priests.