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BODers, Their Naked Real Belief
« on: March 15, 2014, 05:07:35 AM »
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    • I've been studying and debating this American phenomenon (no Spaniard ever believed this garbage) of Heroin BOD, the belief of salvation for ANYONE in any false religion (all non-Catholic religions are false and of the devil, gates of Hell.) for those who have no explicit desire to be Catholic, nor baptized, nor believe in Christ. I've identified it, to give it a formal name, as the theological speculation called salvation by implicit faith in Christ, implicit in their belief in a god (yes with a small g.) that rewards. However, the truth is that what they believe is not something defined, but a negation of EENS, as it is written. When they are finally shown that their every belief is a grasping of straw, a desperate and almost certainly futile effort to save oneself, they will inevitable invoke the truth that what they believe is:

    -Salvation by a perfect act of contrition before God just after death while the mind is still functioning. (in those last few seconds they say!)

    -Anyone who dies in sanctifying grace is saved. God can sanctify anyone just after death.

    20 years of debating with BODers and they ALL, except one, behind the façade of defending explicit BOD & BOB of the catechumen, in reality they all believed that anyone can be saved just after death when they see the truth, no matter what he "religion" he lived and died with.
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    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 11:32:27 AM »
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    • Have not most BODers (and all Catholics really) in America been taught and instructed by the fallible Baltimore Cathechism, in which the Americanist Cardinal Gibbons inserted questions about Baptism? Was in't this cathechism the de facto standard Catholic school text in the US until the 1960s?. Authentic Catholicism seemed totally incompatible with the liberal and modernist American ideas of freedom, equality, justice, and such. They just could not co-exist (even to present day) so they saw a need to water it down.

    It would seem to me that that is part of the problem with Amercan Catholicism and how these erroneous beliefs quickly spreaded around the country. Unfortunately, because of the US influence on the global level, these errors also quickly expanded throughout the world too.  
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    « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2014, 11:38:53 AM »
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    I've been studying and debating this American phenomenon (no Spaniard ever believed this garbage) of Heroin BOD, the belief of salvation for ANYONE in any false religion (all non-Catholic religions are false and of the devil, gates of Hell.) for those who have no explicit desire to be Catholic, nor baptized, nor believe in Christ. I've identified it, to give it a formal name, as the theological speculation called salvation by implicit faith in Christ, implicit in their belief in a god (yes with a small g.) that rewards. However, the truth is that what they believe is not something defined, but a negation of EENS, as it is written. When they are finally shown that their every belief is a grasping of straw, a desperate and almost certainly futile effort to save oneself, they will inevitable invoke the truth that what they believe is:

    -Salvation by a perfect act of contrition before God just after death while the mind is still functioning. (in those last few seconds they say!)

    -Anyone who dies in sanctifying grace is saved. God can sanctify anyone just after death.

    20 years of debating with BODers and they ALL, except one, behind the façade of defending explicit BOD & BOB of the catechumen, in reality they all believed that anyone can be saved just after death when they see the truth, no matter what he "religion" he lived and died with.


    You haven't "debated" anything. Above you falsely attribute beliefs to those who in no way believe these things. That makes you either stupid of a liar.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 15, 2014, 12:33:34 PM »
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    • Yes, the notion of Religious Liberty also sprung up from America.
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    « Reply #4 on: March 15, 2014, 12:36:00 PM »
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    • SJB, do your recall what Our Lord said about calling your brother a "fool"?  That you'd be liable to hellfire?

    You toss around words like "stupid" and "idiot" like they were going out of style.  You never engage in any substantive discussion on any subject.

    You need to stop posting, for the sake of your own soul.
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    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 09:32:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus
    SJB, do your recall what Our Lord said about calling your brother a "fool"?  That you'd be liable to hellfire?

    You toss around words like "stupid" and "idiot" like they were going out of style.  You never engage in any substantive discussion on any subject.

    You need to stop posting, for the sake of your own soul.


    What you (and others who think like you) post simply isn't Catholic. You've been warned with much precision yet you persist. Calling you merely stupid or an idiot is a kind judgment.

    When you start posting something Catholic, maybe you'll get the respect you feel you deserve.
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    « Reply #6 on: March 15, 2014, 10:42:56 PM »
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    What you (and others who think like you) post simply isn't Catholic.


    Please provide an example.
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    « Reply #7 on: March 16, 2014, 02:17:57 PM »
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    What you (and others who think like you) post simply isn't Catholic. You've been warned with much precision yet you persist. Calling you merely stupid or an idiot is a kind judgment.

    When you start posting something Catholic, maybe you'll get the respect you feel you deserve.


    So says one of the chief sacrament despisers.

    Are you EVER going to defend the necessity of the sacraments? - or will you at least be honest and admit that you cannot bring yourself to do such a Catholic thing? You know, start a thread defending the necessity of the sacraments - and be the champion of that effort.

    Going on 12 weeks now SJB and you still prove I am right that it is an absolute impossibility for you to defend that which the Church defends - namely, the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation.

    A final note to you - since you believe a BOD saves, do you expect God to send you a priest in your last hours to give you the sacrament of Extreme Unction - or will you yourself be depending on the same implicit desire and contrition that infidels use to make it to heaven like you've been preaching............certainly if they can make it, you will have no need for the last sacrament yourself - right? Seems in God's justice it would only be fair that He gives you the opportunity of practicing what you've been preaching when your turn comes. You know - reap what you sow and all that . . . Don't you agree?

    You do know that there is no time in purgatory for those who receive the sacrament of Extreme Unction with the proper disposition, that they go straight to heaven when they die don't you?  

    Ahh, stick with preaching a BOD - - let's all hope it works for you - I sincerely hope it works for you!

     
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