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Offline crossbro

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BOD debate in a nutshell.
« on: March 31, 2014, 10:06:13 AM »
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  • BOD debate in a nutshell:

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    That's all he ever does. He and the others ignore the evidence that proves them wrong and play theologian.

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    Only in the minds of the Dimond and Feeney followers.

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    The dogma needed further explanation, as it left open an area that needed more precision

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    Pope Pius XII and the Holy Office under him gave further explanations of this dogma. You are not free to disagree with these explanations.

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    Learn from the Doctors of the Church, or side with a known heretic,

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    You do not even believe in explicit Baptism of Desire. When you and your comrades recant your denial of explicit Baptism of Desire, then we can talk about implicit Baptism of Desire.




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    BOD debate in a nutshell.
    « Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 10:10:06 AM »
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  • Fir further reference on this issue I refer you to:

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    MacCatholics 10,000 page treatise on refuting the simple sentence of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
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    Imprimat. Bl Karl Rahner


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    « Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 11:48:16 AM »
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    BOD debate in a nutshell:

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    That's all he ever does. He and the others ignore the evidence that proves them wrong and play theologian.

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    Only in the minds of the Dimond and Feeney followers.

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    The dogma needed further explanation, as it left open an area that needed more precision

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    Pope Pius XII and the Holy Office under him gave further explanations of this dogma. You are not free to disagree with these explanations.

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    Learn from the Doctors of the Church, or side with a known heretic,

    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    You do not even believe in explicit Baptism of Desire. When you and your comrades recant your denial of explicit Baptism of Desire, then we can talk about implicit Baptism of Desire.




    This is called Sola Scriptura and private interpretation.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #3 on: March 31, 2014, 11:50:18 AM »
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  • Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    This is called Sola Scriptura and private interpretation.



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    « Reply #4 on: March 31, 2014, 11:56:04 AM »
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    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

    This is called Sola Scriptura and private interpretation.




    The way you are presenting it is.  Catholics learn from the Church who authoritatively interprets scripture.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    « Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 12:10:41 PM »
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  • Catholics learn from the Church who authoritatively interprets scripture.

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    Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Sess. 7, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, ex cathedra: “If anyone says that baptism [the Sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation (cf. Jn. 3:5): let him be anathema.”


    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  



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    « Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 12:15:18 PM »
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    Catholics learn from the Church who authoritatively interprets scripture.

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    Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Sess. 7, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, ex cathedra: “If anyone says that baptism [the Sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation (cf. Jn. 3:5): let him be anathema.”


    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  




    Baptism is not optional, one has a duty to receive it.  All agree on this, and is has nothing to do with Baptism of Desire.
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    « Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 12:26:51 PM »
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  • Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  


    Baptism... has nothing to do with Baptism of Desire.



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    « Reply #8 on: March 31, 2014, 12:30:04 PM »
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    Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  


    Baptism... has nothing to do with Baptism of Desire.



    But it does.  An adult does not try to get Baptized unless he first desires to get Baptized.  For adults, the Desire comes first.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #9 on: March 31, 2014, 12:51:24 PM »
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  • CCC

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    V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?  

    1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59



    But it does.  An adult does not try to get Baptized unless he first desires to get Baptized.  For adults, the Desire comes first.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 31, 2014, 12:55:14 PM »
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    V. WHO CAN BAPTIZE?  

    1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.57 In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize58 , by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.59



    But it does.  An adult does not try to get Baptized unless he first desires to get Baptized.  For adults, the Desire comes first.


    And your point is?
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    « Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 01:06:06 PM »
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  • Crossbro...
    What your leaving out is the word, "Again"
    Unless we are born Again of water and the Holy Ghost...
    If we are not born again, we don t remit Original Sin...