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Author Topic: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.  (Read 15783 times)

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2019, 11:16:08 AM »
Quote from: forlorn on July 28, 2019, 10:55:17 AM
Do you believe Francis is the Pope?
If so, why do you think he has lost the authority to canonise?

Can you show me where in the 1917 Code of Canon Law, or even in the 1992 modernist CCC the canonization of saints is discussed?
It isn’t.

Could you show me hoe canonizations meet the requirements of papal infallibility as defined at Vatican I?

They don’t.

Can you show me any binding CHURCH teaching that says canonizations are de fide?
There isn’t.
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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2019, 05:38:06 PM »
October 13th is Our Lady of Fatima. 
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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2019, 05:44:47 PM »
“St John's longest friendship was with John Henry Newman, and the two shared communitarian life for 32 years from 1843 (when St John was 28.  

4] Newman wrote after St John's death: "I have ever thought no bereavement was equal to that of a husband's or a wife's, but I feel it difficult to believe that any can be greater, or any one's sorrow greater, than mine."[5] He was a man of marked individuality and Newman paid tribute to him in his Apologia, and directed that he himself be buried in the same grave as St. John: "I wish, with all my heart, to be buried in Fr Ambrose St John's grave — and I give this as my last, my imperative will."[6] The pall over Newman's coffin bore the cardinal's motto, Cor ad cor loquitur (Heart speaks to heart), a phrase he took from Francis de Sales, and quoted some 25 years earlier in a letter on university preaching. He incorporated these words into his famous work on education The Idea of a University.[7]
The two share a memorial stone inscribed with the words he had chosen: Ex umbris et imaginibus in veritatem ("Out of shadows and phantasms into the truth").
In 2008, the Vatican ordered that Fr Ambrose St John's remains be separated from those of Newman, contrary to Newman's dying wishes, in preparation for Newman's possible canonisation. Campaigners for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rights within the Church speculated the Vatican was embarrassed by the relationship between the two though historians and scholars of the period suggest this is a misunderstanding of the concept of friendship that existed at the time.[8] Newman's remains in the shared grave were exhumed as part of a plan to move them to the Oratory in Birmingham city centre. At the exhumation, Newman's wooden coffin was found to have disintegrated and the bodies completely decayed.[9]”
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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2019, 06:23:22 PM »
Was Cardinal Newman 'gαy'?
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Hello TIA, 

I have to confess that I was surprised when I first read on your website your position on Newman as a liberal. Second thoughts and a little research, however, showed me that in fact he had been in the vanguard of the opposition to the dogma of Papal Infallibility and closely acquainted with the left wing of Vatican Council I. 

Also his concept of conscience is very much the same as that of the Modernists who followed him, that is, it supposes a kind of revelation of God within the soul of each person. 

Now that Benedict XVI is going to beatify Newman, he ordered his body to be removed from his actual burial site to another place in order to favor the public cult. Today, breaking news was released: Newman was an alleged ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, and he supposedly is buried along with his male partner at his express request. To hide his ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity would be the real reason for moving him to another place. 

I send you the news with source, name, dates and addresses. If this is proved to be true, it is a revelation that confirms your points, isn't it? 

     Regards, 

     In Christ Jesus, 

     E.J. 

Canterbury, England (ENI) - British gαy rights activist Peter Tatchell has described the Vatican's instruction that the body of Cardinal John Henry Newman be moved from its grave at a cemetery in the English town of Rednal to a special new resting place at the nearby Birmingham Oratory as "an act of religious desecration and moral vandalism." In an interview with Ecuмenical News International, Tatchell said, "Newman repeatedly made it clear that he wanted to be buried next to his life-long partner, Ambrose St. John. No one gave the Pope permission to defy Newman's wishes. The re-burial has only one aim in mind: to cover up Newman's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and to disavow his love for another man. It is an act of shameless dishonesty and personal betrayal by the gαy-hating Catholic Church." (Ecuмenical News International / News Highlights / 18 August 2008) 

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TIA responds: 

Hello Mr. E.J., 

We thank you for sending us this news, and we are passing it on to our readers. 

Certainly we are on the same page regarding your analysis of Cardinal John Henry Newman as a liberal and pre-Modernist. We also believe his thesis on conscience is similar to that of the Modernists. 

However, regarding the affirmation that Cardinal Newman was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, it is our opinion that we should take the data into consideration but be cautious not to reach precipitate conclusions. 

As far as we know, the mentioned Peter Tatchell is a recognized ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who was the chairman of the London group called Outrage. In 1995 Tatchell blackmailed Cardinal Basil Hume into publishing a statement favoring ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. If he refused to do so, Tatchell said he would call a press conference (as he did) to disclose private information regarding Cardinal Hume's customs. Hume published the note (as Tatchell had asked at a time he chose) shortly before the threatened press conference. 

Prior to this, the same Tatchell had obliged 10 bishops of the so-called Church of England to publicly confess their ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, and 34 other Anglican bishops to issue a statement saying that "one can simultaneously be gαy and a good Christian." The docuмents regarding these and other pressure tactics exercised by Tatchell on Cardinal Hume and Anglican prelates can be found in A.S. Guimarães' Vatican II, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and Pedophilia (Los Angeles: TIA, 2004, pp.140-146). 

This same scandalous man appears to be the only source of the news you sent us about Cardinal Newman. He is morally condemnable as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and a blackmailer, but, as far as we know, he has not been proved wrong in his accusations. 

We are carefully watching the development of this case without making any premature judgment. 

     Cordially, 

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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2019, 06:25:33 PM »
Is any of this true?
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