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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2019, 06:35:33 PM »
Why October 13th?

Blessed John Henry Newman - britannica.com

Blessed John Henry Newman, (born Feb. 21, 1801, London, Eng.—died Aug. 11, 1890, Birmingham, Warwick; beatified Sept. 19, 2010; feast day October 9), influential churchman and man of letters of the 19th century, who led the Oxford Movement in the Church of England and later became a cardinal-deacon in the Roman Catholic Church.
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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2019, 06:38:08 PM »
Blessed John Henry Newman - Franciscan Media

The Liturgical Feast of Blessed John Henry Newmanis October 9. Reflection John Henry Newman has been called the "absent Father of Vatican II" because his writings on conscience, religious liberty, Scripture, the vocation of lay people, the relation of Church and State, and other topics were extremely influential in the shaping of the Council's docuмents.
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2019, 06:43:01 PM »
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 28, 2019, 05:44:47 PM
“St John's longest friendship was with John Henry Newman, and the two shared communitarian life for 32 years from 1843 (when St John was 28.  

4] Newman wrote after St John's death: "I have ever thought no bereavement was equal to that of a husband's or a wife's, but I feel it difficult to believe that any can be greater, or any one's sorrow greater, than mine."[5] He was a man of marked individuality and Newman paid tribute to him in his Apologia, and directed that he himself be buried in the same grave as St. John: "I wish, with all my heart, to be buried in Fr Ambrose St John's grave — and I give this as my last, my imperative will."[6] The pall over Newman's coffin bore the cardinal's motto, Cor ad cor loquitur (Heart speaks to heart), a phrase he took from Francis de Sales, and quoted some 25 years earlier in a letter on university preaching. He incorporated these words into his famous work on education The Idea of a University.[7]
The two share a memorial stone inscribed with the words he had chosen: Ex umbris et imaginibus in veritatem ("Out of shadows and phantasms into the truth").
In 2008, the Vatican ordered that Fr Ambrose St John's remains be separated from those of Newman, contrary to Newman's dying wishes, in preparation for Newman's possible canonisation. Campaigners for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rights within the Church speculated the Vatican was embarrassed by the relationship between the two though historians and scholars of the period suggest this is a misunderstanding of the concept of friendship that existed at the time.[8] Newman's remains in the shared grave were exhumed as part of a plan to move them to the Oratory in Birmingham city centre. At the exhumation, Newman's wooden coffin was found to have disintegrated and the bodies completely decayed.[9]”




              
               And by Newman's own account, he laid down with his friend on his deathbed :facepalm:
           
               Newman voted against Papal Infallibility at Vatican I.

               Newman never recanted the writings of his three Protestant books.

               But Cera honors him?  

               She detests TIA because they researched Cardinal Newman extensively and found his cause for Canonization wanting.

               There's an utter irony here, in that Cera claims TIA and Dr. Plineo are cultists, while she herself admires and promotes a jew-prot convert, who was likely a marrano and/or worse. :jester:

             
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2019, 07:57:16 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 28, 2019, 11:16:08 AM
Can you show me where in the 1917 Code of Canon Law, or even in the 1992 modernist CCC the canonization of saints is discussed?
It isn’t.

Could you show me hoe canonizations meet the requirements of papal infallibility as defined at Vatican I?

They don’t.

Can you show me any binding CHURCH teaching that says canonizations are de fide?
There isn’t.

We've gone through this many times.  According to The Catholic Encyclopedia, it is the GENERAL view among Catholic theologians (meaning majority opinion) that the infallibility of canonizations is THEOLOGICALLY CERTAIN.  Even though one is not strictly a heretic for denying this infallibility, rejecting a theologically certain proposition still constitutes a mortal sin against faith.  So, not, it's not de fide (although some theologians hold it to be so), but it's also not a take-it-of-leave-it-as-it-suits-you proposition.

You reject the infallibility of canonizations simply because it's inconvenient for your dogmatic R&R position.  If you look at the canonization formula, which has been retained by the V2 papal claimants, it clearly invokes infallibility.

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For the honor of the Blessed Trinity, the exaltation of the Catholic faith and the increase of the Christian life, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and own own, after due deliberation and frequent prayer for divine assistance, and having sought the counsel of many of our brother bishops, we declare and define Blessed John XXIII, John Paul II, be saints, and we enroll them among the saints, decreeing that they are to be venerated as such by the whole Church. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen

What is lacking here in the notes of infallibility?  By the authority of Peter and Paul (and his own), he "declares and defines" that they are saints, decreeing that they are to be venerated as such by the whole Church.  To claim that something pronounced with such authority and solemn language can be in error constitutes nothing less than an insult to the Church and to the Holy Spirit.  Snap out of this, man.  

Also, the formula itself was preceded by orations/petitions requesting the assistance of the Holy Spirit against error in the judgment.

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Holy Father, Holy Church, trusting in the Lord’s promise to send upon her the Spirit of Truth, who in every age keeps the supreme Magisterium immune from error, most earnestly beseeches Your Holiness to enroll these, her elect, among the Saints.

So the Church explicitly invokes the Holy Spirit for immunity from error in this judgment, and then uses solemn language and full papal authority to DEFINE this matter and make it binding on the whole Church.  If this is not infallible, then almost nothing is.  It not only meets every single one of the notes of infallibility, but even explicitly invokes the "immun[ity] from error" granted to the Magisterium by the Holy Spirit.  It also rejects the notion that this is not a "matter of faith and morals" by declaring it an act of the Magisterium.  You've got absolutely NOTHING to stand on except your own wishful thinking.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman to be canonized Oct. 13.
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2019, 08:08:20 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 28, 2019, 11:16:08 AM
Could you show me hoe canonizations meet the requirements of papal infallibility as defined at Vatican I?

QED in my previous post.
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