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  • As rumors continue to swirl that Pope Francis may soon resign, bookmakers predict a Black or Asian cardinal could succeed him.

    Speculation about Francis' future has grown after the Vatican announced earlier this month that he would not be going on a planned trip to the Democratic Republic of the Congo and South Sudan in July. The Vatican cited Francis' knee ailment, which has forced the 85-year-old to use a wheelchair for at least a month.

    Meanwhile, plans to visit the Italian city of L'Aquila in August for a feast have been viewed as an effort to cement his legacy, adding fuel to speculation that Francis could soon follow in Pope Benedict XVI's footsteps and step down from leading the Catholic Church.

    If he does, a conclave of cardinals will secretly elect Francis' successor.


    In this combined image, Cardinal Peter Turkson, left, attends the annual German Sustainability Award Design in Düsseldorf, Germany on December 02, 2021 while Cardinal Luis Antonio Gokim Tagle, right, speaks at a press conference announcing the launch of a campaign on the plight of migrants to counteract mounting anti-immigrant sentiment in the U.S. at the Vatican press center on Sept. 27, 2017.

    And while Catholic hierarchy has been dominated by Europeans for most of the church's history, bookmakers have tipped cardinals from Africa and Asia as favorites to be elected the next pope.

    Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle from the Philippines has been given 5/1 odds of being elected the next pope by British bookmakers OLBG. Also highly favored to replace Francis is Ghanaian Cardinal Peter Turkson, who has been given odds of 6/1.

    Bookmaker Paddy Power has Turkson at 4/1, while Tagle is priced at 6/1.

    Tagle, the former archbishop of Manila who was made a cardinal by Benedict XVI, is viewed as a top papal contender thanks to a series of promotions that make Francis' esteem for him clear.

    Dubbed the "Asian Francis" in Catholic media, the 64-year-old was appointed by Francis in 2019 to lead the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, which oversees the church in Asia, Africa and other mission territories. Francis later made Tagle a cardinal-bishop.

    Turkson, 73, has long been viewed as a papabile, a term for someone considered a possible or likely candidate to be elected pope.

    If elected, he would be the first African pope for more than 1,500 years.
    Turkson late last year resigned his role as head of the Dicastery for Integral Human Development, a Vatican department formed in 2016 to deal with issues including migration, charities, justice and peace. It has been plagued by management issues and turf wars, Reuters reported, citing Vatican sources


    Other candidates favored by bookmakers inlcude Italian Angelo Scola, who OBLG has given odds of 6/1 of being elected the next pope.

    Canadian Marc Ouelett is priced at 7/1, while Austrian Christoph Schonborn and American Raymond Leo Burke have both been given odds of 8/1.

    https://www.newsweek.com/black-asian-pope-tipped-succeed-francis-if-he-resigns-1717474?amp=1

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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #1 on: June 22, 2022, 10:41:04 AM »
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  • It's not an if... it's a when he resigns. It will probably happen. 

    Tagle would be a disaster. How do we know? If you're called the "Asian Francis", you're already bad news.


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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #2 on: June 22, 2022, 11:51:56 AM »
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  • It's not an if... it's a when he resigns. It will probably happen.

    Tagle would be a disaster. How do we know? If you're called the "Asian Francis", you're already bad news.
    Either one would be a disaster because neither are Catholic.
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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #3 on: June 22, 2022, 12:29:58 PM »
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  • I thought they were going to “elect” a black one last time, I was wrong. With a black “pope”, any opposition will be deemed “racist”. How many will be afraid to embrace the sedevacantist position then?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #4 on: June 22, 2022, 12:49:26 PM »
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  • Lol LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO ANTIPOPE TAGLE. People have been calling this installation for YEARS
    "We dare not even start to hope until the Faith, the true Faith, and its revealed content, are secured in our minds. Only in terms of Faith do we dare to hope."


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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #5 on: June 22, 2022, 01:35:39 PM »
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  • Tagle did devil hand sign with Bergolio.
    They will probably select Wilton Gregory.

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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #6 on: June 22, 2022, 01:51:11 PM »
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  • If the pope upheld traditional faith and morality, and the traditional Mass, I wouldn't care if he were from the deepest bowels of the Congo and were as black as midnight under a cast iron skillet.  (One of my remote ancestors might well have fit the latter description.)

    Still, though, in case no one's ever noticed, part of the deterioration of the post-Vatican II Church has been a proxy war against traditional European civilization, patrimony, morals, and manners.  It's really a kind of spiritual genocide in slow motion, with the death of the civilization instead of necessarily the death of people.  (Self-aborting and self-contracepting ourselves out of existence takes care of that part.)

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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #7 on: June 22, 2022, 01:55:51 PM »
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  • ... and American Raymond Leo Burke have both been given odds of 8/1.

    It's interesting that Burke made the list.


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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #8 on: June 22, 2022, 01:57:33 PM »
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  • Of course, there was that prophecy that the restoration of the Church would begin with the "Black Pope" and "White Pope" die on the same night.  Black Pope has generally been thought a reference to a Jesuit (who's often called the Black Pope), but what if it's a literal Black Pope?

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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #9 on: June 22, 2022, 01:59:29 PM »
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  • Of course, there was that prophecy that the restoration of the Church would begin with the "Black Pope" and "White Pope" die on the same night.  Black Pope has generally been thought a reference to a Jesuit (who's often called the Black Pope), but what if it's a literal Black Pope?
    A Jesuit would restore the Church?  
    THAT would be a miracle.

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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #10 on: June 22, 2022, 02:08:39 PM »
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  • Of course, there was that prophecy that the restoration of the Church would begin with the "Black Pope" and "White Pope" die on the same night.  Black Pope has generally been thought a reference to a Jesuit (who's often called the Black Pope), but what if it's a literal Black Pope?

    If this is to come true in our generation, the most likely scenario would be the "Black Pope" (the Jesuit Francis) and the "White Pope" (Benedict) dying simultaneously, though most likely for different reasons.  I'm reminded here of the phenomenon we see quite often, that celebrities, entertainers, and the like, seem to die in twos or threes within a day or so of each other. 

    (And as a kind of side note, don't forget the "27 Club", Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Amy Winehouse, Kurt Cobain, Pete Ham, et alii.)



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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #11 on: June 22, 2022, 03:51:26 PM »
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  • I'm reminded here of the phenomenon we see quite often, that celebrities, entertainers, and the like, seem to die in twos or threes within a day or so of each other. 

    (And as a kind of side note, don't forget the "27 Club", Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Amy Winehouse, Kurt Cobain, Pete Ham, et alii.)
    What was very interesting too, something I noticed but hadn't heard anyone mention, was that (the only "wrestler" I went to see as a child, vs. Hulk Hogan) was Kamala, the Ugandan Giant, whose died Aug, 9th 2020, but whose death was announced the day before (Aug. 10th) Kamala hαɾɾιs was named as Joe's running mate (Aug. 11th).  Kamala's real name: James hαɾɾιs.  So Kamala Jama hαɾɾιs.  https://www.kamalaspeaks.com/who-is-kamala/
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    Re: Black or Asian Pope Tipped To Succeed Francis if He Resigns
    « Reply #12 on: June 22, 2022, 03:57:55 PM »
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  • A Jesuit would restore the Church? 
    THAT would be a miracle.

    No, the prophecy is that the Church would be restored AFTER the Black Pope dies (along with the White Pope).