Author Topic: Bishops with Ordinary Jurisdiction: Publicly Condemn Heresies of Vatican II? (Read 3608 times)

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 23, 2023, 04:30:03 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on April 23, 2023, 03:02:17 PM

Correction: It looks like Lazo was an ordinary according to Wikipedia, but like Sean said did not speak up until after he retired. It also appears that he was consecrated in the New Rite since he was consecrated bishop in 1970, so technically, because of that, not a true ordinary either.

With some of these Asiatic consecrations the new rite may or may not have been used in 1970. My guess is that some of these countries/bishops continued to use the traditional rite of consecration, as some of these countries were slower to adopt the changes than Europe and the West. It is hard to know unless we have evidence of the actual ceremony, anything else would be an assumption.

I knew one priest who was ordained in 1970, and when questioned about his ordination, he said that it was half English/ half Latin. With some of these ecclesiastical clown shows, who knows?

2Vermont · « **Reply #11 on:** April 23, 2023, 05:06:28 PM »

Quote from: AMDGJMJ on April 23, 2023, 03:43:42 PM

I am confused as to what you mean by an ordinary. Do you mean ordinary Bishop meaning without any special privileges.

Wouldn't an Archbishop have ordinary jurisdiction? He was the Archbishop of Los Angelos until 1970.

"James Francis Aloysius McIntyre (June 25, 1886 – July 16, 1979) was an American prelate of the Roman Catholic Church. He served as Archbishop of Los Angeles from 1948 to 1970, and was created a cardinal in 1953. He was a highly successful builder of new parishes, churches, and schools. He was notable in Church politics, and his reputation remains highly controversial."

Sorry...I looked at the NY portion of his bio. There doesn't seem to be a lot about his beliefs regarding Vatican II doctrine (and I can't see the NYTimes article). It appears his main focus was liturgical. I'd like to see more.

2Vermont · « **Reply #12 on:** April 24, 2023, 07:39:27 AM »

So far the focus has been on the Latin Rite bishops. How about the Eastern Rite bishops? Who has publicly condemned the doctrines of Vatican II?

frankielogue · « **Reply #13 on:** April 24, 2023, 08:48:12 AM »

If this happened, imo it would be the beginning of the end of the Crisis.

We just need one man to finally speak up.

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #14 on:** April 24, 2023, 08:57:11 AM »

Here is another Bishop who seems to have stood up against the changes but died in 1971. I would like to know more about Bishop Russell McVinney:

"Gaudium et Spes or the Constitution of the Church in the Modern World, the docuмent which, to quote Michael Davies, "expresses the ethos of Vatican II more accurately than any other." American Bishop Russell McVinney called it "a doubtful compromise with everything which lies at the basis of the evils now affecting humanity" and Cardinal Heenan said it was a treatise unworthy of any Catholic Council. Archbishop Lefebvre, who refused his signature to Gaudium et Spes, pointed to the anti-Catholic philosophical sources of the docuмent, citing Locke, Rousseau and Lamennais."

https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/Pope%20St.%20Pius%20X%20&%E2%81%84or%20SSPX/The%20Angelus/HTMLs/187.html

From the little research I have done he seems to have stood up for as long as he could against the Vatican II changes.

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