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Bishop Williamson on NewChurch "saints"
« on: August 10, 2013, 02:46:08 PM »
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  • Number CCCXVII (317)
            
    10 August 2013
    REAL CANONISATIONS ?

    “What do you think of Pope Francis’ intention to “canonise” John-Paul II and John XXIII next spring ? Is it not a way of “canonising” Vatican II ? And does that not raise the question of authority, given that all the manuals of theology prior to Vatican II teach that the Pope is infallible when he pronounces a canonisation ?” Such was the serious question (slightly modified) put to me recently by a journalist of Rivarol. I answered along these lines:--

    The determination shown by the heads of the Conciliar Church to canonise the Conciliar Popes demonstrates the firm will of the enemies (at least objective) of God to be done with the Catholic religion and to replace it with the new religion of the New World Order. Thus to a Newchurch correspond Newsaints to be fabricated by a process of canonisation which has been dismantled and “made new”. As is always the case with modernism, the words remain the same but the content of the words is quite different. Therefore Catholics who have the true Faith need not worry one little bit whether these Newcanonisations are infallible or not. They are proceeding from the Newchurch, which is a dummy of the Catholic Church.

    But then what is this dummy ? That is a delicate question, because one easily gets accused of being a “sedevacantist”, which is a word that nowadays frightens Traditionalists almost as much as the word “anti-semitic”. But what we need is to concentrate on reality by “judging just judgment and not according to the appearance”, as Our Lord says (Jn. VII, 24). We must not let ourselves be misled by appearances, by emotions or by words. Today for instance, are not schools becoming centres of unlearning instead of learning, hospitals places of killing instead of healing, police instruments of oppression instead of protection, and so on ?

    Thus by what Sister Lucy called a process of “diabolical disorientation”, the churchmen have become agents of lying instead of the Truth. They have allowed their minds and hearts to be taken over by the ideas and ideals of the Revolution, that radical and universal uprising of modern man against his God and Creator. Yet these objective traitors (they can still mean in their hearts to be serving God – Jn. XVI, 2) are still churchmen in the sense that nobody else than they is “sitting on the chair of Moses”, in Our Lord’s words (Mt.XXIII, 2). The Pope is sitting there.

    In other words the dummy Church in question is the Church occupied not by men who are not churchmen, but by churchmen whose hearts and heads are occupied by more or less of a new religion which is absolutely not Catholic. But notice the “more or less”. Just as rot does not take over an apple all at once, so the dummy church, or the Newchurch, may be in the process of eclipsing the Catholic Church, but within it are still some bishops, many priests and a host of layfolk who can have kept the Catholic Faith up till now. They are on a slippery slope, highly dangerous for their faith, but one cannot say that they are outside of the true Church. God knows.

    So when it comes to the authorities of the Newchurch, I would treat their authority as one does that of a family father who has gone temporarily mad. One pays no more attention to his madness than to be watching out for the moment when it comes to an end, but in the meantime one does not cease loving him or even respecting the authority intrinsic to his fatherhood. So help me God.

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    Bishop Williamson on NewChurch "saints"
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    or even respecting the authority intrinsic to his fatherhood. So help me God.


    And just how exactly does Williamson do this? By rejecting the "canonizations" and the entire religion of his "popes"? By rejecting 99 if not 100% of all that they say teach and do?


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    or even respecting the authority intrinsic to his fatherhood. So help me God.


    And just how exactly does Williamson do this? By rejecting the "canonizations" and the entire religion of his "popes"? By rejecting 99 if not 100% of all that they say teach and do?


    I don't see him rejecting 99%. As he says, they are on a slippery slope. What he says he says for love of the Church.

    Quote: more or less of a new religion which is absolutely not Catholic. But notice the “more or less”. Just as rot does not take over an apple all at once, so the dummy church, or the Newchurch, may be in the process of eclipsing the Catholic Church, but within it are still some bishops, many priests and a host of layfolk who can have kept the Catholic Faith up till now. They are on a slippery slope, highly dangerous for their faith, but one cannot say that they are outside of the true Church. God knows.
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    Bishop Williamson on NewChurch "saints"
    « Reply #3 on: August 10, 2013, 07:46:13 PM »
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    So when it comes to the authorities of the Newchurch, I would treat their authority as one does that of a family father who has gone temporarily mad. One pays no more attention to his madness than to be watching out for the moment when it comes to an end, but in the meantime one does not cease loving him or even respecting the authority intrinsic to his fatherhood. So help me God.


    And this is where Bp. Williamson and I part.  There's a BIG difference between mental "madness" and deliberate, obstinate and sane heresy.   That's like saying Luther was "just a bit off" when he nailed his thesis to the cathedral door.  Bollocks!  Heresy is heresy - madness is madness.  Two different things.

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    Bishop Williamson on NewChurch "saints"
    « Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 07:57:02 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson must have some theological reason for maintaining his belief that the post-Vatican 2 popes are valid popes.
    But at least he admitted in one video that we are not obliged to follow the "pope" when he does not have the best interests of the church in mind.
    The recent popes since john 23 have been devoted to destroying the church, I don't see how anyone who knows this can say they are still somehow "valid".
    Its not impossible for the pope to apostasize you know! Have been anti-popes before! Virgin mary predicted rome would lose the faith, if it lost the faith it aint valid pope because is a heretic.
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    Bishop Williamson on NewChurch "saints"
    « Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 09:33:04 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson's argument here is unconvincing to say the least. How many concessions will he make for these false papal claimants? How many times will he tip-toe around their manifest heresies with apologetic arguments? In the past he's tried to excuse John Paul II's heresies by alleging that JPII "wasn't very bright" - a strange accusation to make against a man who spoke something like 14 languages and authored about 16 books.

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    Bishop Williamson on NewChurch "saints"
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    Bishop Williamson must have some theological reason for maintaining his belief that the post-Vatican 2 popes are valid popes.


    He does not because his "reason" to do so is not theological at all as it is supported by nothing.

    What he advocates is mentevacantism.

     

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