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Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives?
« on: May 26, 2018, 11:07:39 PM »
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  • I read in the history of the catholic church by james hitchcock that after the council -  

    "like many of the council fathers, after they returned to their dioceses, seemed themselves uncertain as to what had been intended(by the council). Bishop sheen supported the most liberal of his priests and stated on television that the church might now permit contraception.  Caught in the post conciliar crossfire, he soon resigned from his see".

    This book is published by ignatius press, which is a conservative novus ordo pubisher.  I don't think it is associated with TLM, so it is basically just novus ordo.  Yet, it has this in there about Fulton Sheen.  I have read the entirety of this history book, and it is good enough.  The format is very good, and I found it very readable, so I do like the book all things considered.  But, I had never heard this about bishop sheen.  If anyone has any information about this, I would like to hear it.  Because, again, this church history book is good enough all things considered, and I am in inclined to take the author at his word here.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives
    « Reply #1 on: May 26, 2018, 11:12:44 PM »
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  • I remember www.tradito.com said Fulton Sheen was a silent communist.  That does not surprise me.  He wrote a book on Communism and I was very impressed, until I got 3/4 through it.  I was waiting for Fulton Sheen's solution.  Solution was, vote for the right candidate.  


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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives
    « Reply #2 on: May 26, 2018, 11:15:03 PM »
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  • I don't trust anything anymore.   

    There are liberals out there trying to rewrite history and omit truth and facts. 
    May God bless you and keep you

    Offline PG

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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives?
    « Reply #3 on: May 26, 2018, 11:19:19 PM »
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  • I made a late modification to my OP, providing the exact quote from within the book.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives
    « Reply #4 on: May 26, 2018, 11:20:00 PM »
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  • Father Feeney's The Point newsletter from the 1950s had quite a few scathing pieces on Bishop Sheen. Here's one of them, from August 1952:

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    How to Win Friends and Influential People

    https://fatherfeeney.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-point-august-1952/

    When Our Lord gave His last instructions to His Apostles, He commissioned them to go forth into every nation, preaching the Gospel and baptizing those who believed. He did not ask of them that they be successful, as the world measures success. But if He had, the man who would be best fulfilling Our Lord’s commission would be Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.
    Bishop Sheen has done what no other priest has been able to do, though some notable ones have tried: he has made himself a hit with Americans. And what is more, he has done this, not on the Church’s terms, as a preacher of the Catholic Faith; he has done it on America’s terms, as an entertainer on television, in free competition with other television entertainers.

    While it is true that the Bishop’s amazing popularity is largely due to the applause of Catholics, still, the ease with which he has become familiar as Uncle Fultie and the Face on the Barroom Screen shows that he has made a hit with Protestants and Jєωs as well. Indeed, so general has the Bishop’s popularity been, and so overwhelming, that he can well serve as a model for other priests who might want to become successful. As a service for such readers, as well as for those who are merely curious to know what Bishop Sheen has done and how he has done it, The Point has taken advantage of the lull provided by his summer vacation to make a careful analysis of his technique; and herewith it makes its report.

    The first thing that strikes you about Bishop Sheen’s message is that he never allows himself to be tied down by any narrow sectarianism. He is never too specifically Catholic. He is not so much a proponent of the one, true Faith as a proponent of Religion. Here is the way he has summarized the world’s spiritual ills, as they have grown worse through the centuries: “In the sixteenth century,” he says, “we denied belief in the Church; in the seventeenth, the inspiration of Sacred Scripture; in the eighteenth, the Divinity of Christ; in the nineteenth, the existence of God; and in the twentieth, the necessity of Religion.”

    Being not merely an apt student of history, but a very perceptive philosopher as well, Bishop Sheen has been quick to sense that in trying to restore these values priority must be given to those most recently lost. The modern world must be convinced first of the necessity of Religion, and after that of the existence of God, etc. The farthest the Bishop generally gets in this journey toward Faith and the Middle Ages, is the nineteenth century. Once he has succeeded in exposing the position of the atheist as being theoretically absurd and practically impossible, Bishop Sheen is inclined to let up. As long as a man gives evidence of being somehow for God, the Bishop will not press him to tell how he feels about Christ.
    Protestants and Jєωs enjoy listening to Bishop Sheen because they can always relax when doing so. They know they will never hear anything from him to upset them — no insinuations that his religion is any better than theirs, no remarks calculated to make them feel that they ought to become Catholics. Rather, he gives them a new appreciation of their own faith and fires them with a determination to be better Protestants and better Jєωs than ever. He even tells them how to do this. For instance, in a pamphlet he wrote, entitled “What Can I Do?”, Bishop Sheen tells everyone how to practice better his own faith and thus unite all Americans in “a common love of God.” He tells Protestants to practice fidelity to the marriage bond and give their children instruction in their Protestant religion. He urges Jєωs to do their bit by keeping the Ten Commandments. And he asks Catholics to show that they do not belong to this world by giving good example.
    The effect of such appeals is to make Protestants and Jєωs feel delighted to find that a Catholic bishop approves of their Protestantism and Judaism and wants to strengthen them in it, while at the same time it lets Catholics know, by a certain added intimacy that only they will notice, that they are really his special favorites.

    Despite the publicity he has received as a convert-maker, Bishop Sheen would never suggest on radio or television that his non-Catholic listeners ought to come into the Church. The Bishop has had long experience speaking on the air, and he knows that such suggestions are not allowed. That is why he prefers to make his appeal more for a return to generic religion than for a return to the Catholic Faith. On those occasions when he is forced to become organizationally specific and refer to the Church, he is very careful to present it in such a way that no one could possibly consider his remarks offensive to other religions. The mission of the Church, as presented by Bishop Sheen, is not so much to save souls — he seldom mentions eternal salvation at all — as to eliminate the need for a psychoanalyst and to provide a consistent philosophy of life. He is not so much concerned with those aspects of truth that belong to the Faith alone as with those that have a larger heritage. It is the morals, the ethics, and the logic of the Faith that he prefers to emphasize — those things that came to Christianity from the pagan Greeks rather than those things that came to it from Christ.

    In an article in Cosmopolitan magazine, Bob Considine tells how he asked Bishop Sheen if he ever eliminated certain Catholic dogmas that might scare off Protestant and Jєωιѕн viewers of his television program. The Bishop’s answer illustrates perfectly the attitude he takes in presenting the Faith: “There is nothing in my television sermons,” he replied, “that one cannot find in Aristotle.” This pre-Christian outlook on Christianity accounts for the fact that, although Bishop Sheen holds the title of U. S. director of the Society for the Propagation of the Faith, there is only one thing that ever gets propagated to the U. S. Protestants and Jєωs who watch the Bishop on television, and that is his own personality.


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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives
    « Reply #5 on: May 26, 2018, 11:22:11 PM »
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  • I remember www.tradito.com said Fulton Sheen was a silent communist.  That does not surprise me.  He wrote a book on Communism and I was very impressed, until I got 3/4 through it.  I was waiting for Fulton Sheen's solution.  Solution was, vote for the right candidate.  
    Good observation.  "Trust not in princes" says scripture".  I am honestly not a fan of bishop sheen.  However, I have not felt the need to throw stones.  But, if the above about contraceptives is accurate and the case, then that is a different matter.
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives
    « Reply #6 on: May 26, 2018, 11:32:38 PM »
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  • Father Feeney's The Point newsletter from the 1950s had quite a few scathing pieces on Bishop Sheen. Here's one of them, from August 1952:
    That was a very good article.  I like the bit about how all of bishop sheen can be found in aristotle.  Aristotle has been on my mind recently.  I think next I am going to undertake studying Aristotle.  And, perhaps I will study aquinas at the same time or after.  However, aquinas has such a cult following, that I believe I must be careful.  Because, sadly, I approach him critically.  
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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives?
    « Reply #7 on: May 27, 2018, 02:19:39 AM »
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  • In talking about contraception and post Vatican II I recommend a study of Pope Paul VI's Humanae Vitae.

    http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html


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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives?
    « Reply #8 on: May 27, 2018, 07:51:48 PM »
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  • Archbishop Sheen speaking on one of his visits to the "Reverend" Robert Schuller's Crystal Cathedral in California:

    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.

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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives?
    « Reply #9 on: May 27, 2018, 11:03:32 PM »
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  • Pope Paul VI was the darling of the liberals until he came out with Humanae Vitae. Many people thought that he would give his approval to the use of artificial contraception but instead he condemned it. Many of his former supporters turned on him because of this. It was at this point that the theology of "not really infallible" came about.
    I think that this rejection of Humanae Vitae is at the heart of the other sex abuse problems that we see in the Catholic Church.   

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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives
    « Reply #10 on: May 27, 2018, 11:54:04 PM »
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  • Father Feeney's The Point newsletter from the 1950s had quite a few scathing pieces on Bishop Sheen. Here's one of them, from August 1952:

    Also:

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    The heresy of Americanism consists in trying to adapt the Catholic Faith to this temperament. It consists in trying to give the impression that Catholics are in no way different from other Americans; that priests are just good fellows — likeable, broadminded, and unchallenging; that the message of the Catholic Faith is the same as that of democracy and Interfaith; that the Church honors and respects other religions and encourages the members of those religions to be faithful to their observances; that, though securing our democratic privileges might require constant vigilance and labor, securing salvation is easy; that heaven is not a kingdom, but a democracy; that it plays no favorites and is open to all, regardless of race, color, or creed.

    The secret in discovering the doctrines of Americanism is this: to pay attention not to what its preachers say, but to the impressions that they give. This is necessary partly because their democratic jargon and Rotary Club inanities usually make it impossible to extract any coherent meaning from what they say, and partly because they are reluctant to state, in so many words, what they really believe. They prefer to get their message across by suggestion, insinuation, implication, leaving it to their listeners to infer their meaning and to state the heresies outright.

    The heresy of Americanism is fostered and advanced mainly by a few highly conspicuous and successful American priests, who have made their reputations on their ability to display their own sparkling personalities and good citizenship, while obscuring the Catholic Faith. One such priest is Fulton J. Sheen, who presents us with the spectacle and the scandal of a Catholic bishop, sworn to preach and defend the Faith even to the shedding of his blood, offering to the millions of Americans who see him on television, a “non-sectarian” program. Bishop Sheen never indicates that he is worried about, or even interested in, the eternal salvation of his audience; nor does he ever tell them anything that they would need to know in order to achieve that salvation.

    https://fatherfeeney.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-point-january-1953/
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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives?
    « Reply #11 on: May 28, 2018, 11:48:30 AM »
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  • Pope Paul VI was the darling of the liberals until he came out with Humanae Vitae. Many people thought that he would give his approval to the use of artificial contraception but instead he condemned it. Many of his former supporters turned on him because of this. It was at this point that the theology of "not really infallible" came about.
    I think that this rejection of Humanae Vitae is at the heart of the other sex abuse problems that we see in the Catholic Church.  
    Wrong.  The theology if you want to call it of "not really infallible" came about more from humanae vitae's reversing of the ends of marriage rather than from the restated condemnation of artificial contraceptives.  Artificial contraceptives had already been condemned.  Humanae vitae does nothing in whole to defend tradition.  For liberals, humanae vitae was simply not liberal enough, and that is why they hate it.  

    And, clerical doubting or rejecting of church morality is not a new phenomenon.  Doubting or rejecting church morality is a child of the university.  And, the university goes way back.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Bishop Sheen Post V2 Open to Contraceptives?
    « Reply #12 on: May 28, 2018, 07:22:03 PM »
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  • God Bless, Fr. Feeney!