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Re: Bishop Sanborn on the "Una Cuм"
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2025, 08:41:09 AM »
I have that book.  He does not "express his position in great detail".  The focus of that book was on attacking the dogmatic Sedevacantism of Fr. Anthony Cekada.  Furthermore, I don't believe that Fr. Chazal rejected Jorge Bergoglio as pope at the time of publication.
I didn't know Fr. Chazal considered Bergoglio a false pope now. Well, I wasn't always a Sede so I understand how people change their views after careful study.

Re: Bishop Sanborn on the "Una Cuм"
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2025, 10:45:12 AM »
I didn't know Fr. Chazal considered Bergoglio a false pope now. Well, I wasn't always a Sede so I understand how people change their views after careful study.

See here.


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Re: Bishop Sanborn on the "Una Cuм"
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2025, 11:50:36 AM »
I honestly don't get it.  I'd constantly be looking for stuff we could agree on, but they seem hell-bent on continuing the dispute and ignoring all opportunities to agree on things.
Yes, it's pathetically immature. 

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Re: Bishop Sanborn on the "Una Cuм"
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2025, 11:55:48 AM »
Furthermore, I don't believe that Fr. Chazal rejected Jorge Bergoglio as pope at the time of publication.
:facepalm:  Because Fr Chazal makes a distinction between the spiritual papal authority (it's suspended due to heresy) and the material office (it's legit).  Fr Chazal says he's not a pope in the spiritual sense, but he IS a pope in the material/govt sense.

You have this binary, black-or-white, all-or-nothing, view.

Re: Bishop Sanborn on the "Una Cuм"
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2025, 12:07:33 PM »
:facepalm:  Because Fr Chazal makes a distinction between the spiritual papal authority (it's suspended due to heresy) and the material office (it's legit).  Fr Chazal says he's not a pope in the spiritual sense, but he IS a pope in the material/govt sense.

You have this binary, black-or-white, all-or-nothing, view.

Fr. Chazal says the Jorge Bergoglio was not ontologically pope.  Do you know what that means?  Let me explain it to you.  It means that the quality of the papacy was not bestowed upon him by Jesus Christ.  That is black and white.  What is looney tunes is you and the Sedeprivationists splitting the papacy into two logical parts and acting like those two logical parts exist separately in reality.  It is like acting that rational and animal exist separately in reality.  No!  One is either pope or he is not.  Period.