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Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
« on: August 07, 2015, 10:49:47 PM »
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  • Bishop Morlino: “Have nothing to do with SSPX” Louie  August 7, 2015  34 Comments
    Writing in his diocesan newspaper and prompted by God only knows what, Bishop Robert Morlino of the Diocese of Madison issued, “A word of caution about the Society of Saint Pius X.”

    I will provide commentary on key excerpts, but please follow the link to read it in full.

    The bishop begins:

    The 50 years since the close of the Second Vatican Council have been tumultuous for the Church. Forces both inside and outside of the Church tried to distort and exploit the council and the post-conciliar liturgical reforms to create a new Church after their own image.

    A new Church after their own image…

    In other words, a Church that bears little resemblance to the Holy Catholic Church.

    Indeed, this is true enough, but what Bishop Morlino leaves unsaid is that among those who have so exploited the Council (not only liturgically, but otherwise as well) is every pope who has reigned ever since; a point that will prove noteworthy later.

    Making his way to the SSPX, Bishop Morlino continues:

    Most of the faithful Catholics who saw this happening fought hard for a “reform of the reform.” Sadly, others decided that the only way forward was to work outside of — and sometimes against — the hierarchical Church and its structures. This was the choice made by the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), a worldwide society of priests best known for its strong opposition to the post-conciliar reform of the Mass…

    At this, two points must be made.

    Number one, the decision “to work outside of the hierarchical Church” to which Bishop Morlino inadequately refers concerns the episcopal consecrations of 1988, the resulting excommunications of which have been lifted.

    In other words, this matter is, in a sense, a non-issue save for the grave injustice of withholding formal jurisdiction from a priestly Society that is not excommunicated, not heretical, and of which he himself says, “it would be inaccurate to call it a schismatic group.”

    The question that remains (and which Bishop Morlino dares not even attempt to answer) is this: Of exactly what crime is the SSPX guilty such that jurisdiction continues to be withheld?

    I shall never tire of providing the answer until such time as this injustice is rectified:

    The SSPX refuses to sign off on the proposition that “Vatican Council II is an integral part of the Tradition of the Church,” (the price of admission for so-called “full communion” set by Benedict XVI) for the simple reason that it most certainly is not.

    This is the elephant in the room that Bishop Morlino, who enjoys Golden Boy status in the eyes of many marginally tradition-minded conservatives, must tiptoe around in order to preserve his own membership in the “full communion” club.

    Secondly, while it may well be the case that the SSPX is “best known” by many “for its strong opposition to the post-conciliar reform of the Mass,” this is a gross mischaracterization of the actual situation.

    The reality is far more complex, especially given the “liberation” of the (never abrogated) traditional rite in Summorum Pontificuм.

    In reality, the Society’s “opposition” also concerns the Council’s treatments of ecuмenism, religious liberty, collegiality, and the relationship of the Church to non-Catholics.

    “I want to be cautious and fair about the SSPX,” Bishop Morlino continued.

    Well, I have some bad news for you, Excellency, even at this early point in your missive you have failed.

    Continuing his “word of caution,” Bishop Morlino writes:

    Many of their [SSPX] concerns are legitimate. Many of their values and aspirations are admirable, and their zeal is impressive. Their priests wish to serve the Lord and His people. The people who attend their chapels are fervent. We should always be cordial, respectful, and welcoming to them as brothers and sisters in Christ. Yet, their relationship with the Church is complex and developing … Having said that, all is not well with the SSPX, and my advice, my plea to the traditionally-minded faithful of the diocese is to have nothing to do with them.

    Let’s unpack this jumbled mess of inconsistencies…

    If indeed the Society’s relationship with the Church is complex (and it is, as I stated above), why does the bishop insist on treating it as if it is not?

    It’s perplexing given that Bishop Morlino plainly acknowledges that many of the Society’s concerns are legitimate.

    If this is what he sincerely believes, then he must also believe that those faithful in his care who share their concerns have legitimate motivation for being attracted to, and joining, the SSPX.

    This being the case, his issuance of a generalized “word of caution” to “have nothing to do with” the Society, while deliberately avoiding the “legitimate” concerns shared specifically by those to whom he writes, is highly irresponsible, weak, and unbefitting a true father.

    From here, Bishop Morlino plays the “jurisdiction” card as if it somehow magically trumps each and every one of the Society’s legitimate, and mysteriously unnamed, concerns:

    The priests of the SSPX are validly ordained priests, but because for the most part they were ordained illicitly (i.e., by a bishop who had no jurisdiction over them and no permission to ordain), they are suspended ipso facto from the moment of their ordination (c. 1383); that is to say, even though they are ordained, they have no permission from the Church, which is necessary, to exercise priestly ministry.

    This argument is less-than-sufficient and apparently the bishop knows it.

    Of the SSPX priests, he makes it a point of saying that “for the most part they were ordained illicitly,” and he does so because he knows very well that among their ranks are men who joined them after they were ordained by bishops like himself. (In fact, it would come as no surprise if he personally ordained one or more of them.)

    In these cases, the canon cited (c. 1383) doesn’t apply.

    Moving on, Bishop Morlino ultimately gets to the heart of his plea:

    If you take nothing else away from this letter, at least hear this — the SSPX’s marriages and absolutions are invalid because their priests lack the necessary faculties … do you want to take that kind of a risk with your marriage or even with your soul?

    I hear ya, Excellency, and frankly, I am embarrassed for you. Is this really the best you can do as a spiritual father; to tell the members of your flock to hedge their bets?

    Apparently, Bishop Morlino understands that the Society’s position does not truly lend itself to being dismissed out of hand; meriting at least superficial mention, saying:

    The SSPX argues for the validity of their marriages and absolutions based on the canonical principle that the Church supplies the faculty in cases of doubt or common error. In certain rare and exceptional cases that might apply to their situation, especially with regard to confession, but for the most part their arguments are not persuasive.

    He then very quickly absolves himself of the duty to actually address the concerns of his flock, the same that he acknowledges as being legitimate, by declaring:

    This is not the place for a discourse on the technical points of canon law…

    This is the stuff of neo-conservative stardom, folks. It’s like declaring a heartfelt desire to plant a garden while refusing to pick up a shovel.

    As Bishop Morlino continues, it becomes rather clear (to those with eyes to see, at any rate) why he is unwilling to address those concerns directly; namely, he has nothing of substance to offer in response:

    Part of their [SSPX] argument hinges on the faithful erroneously believing that the SSPX priests have the requisite faculty; well, if you were in error about that up until now, you are not in error anymore.

    And why does the bishop think that this belief is erroneous (have a seat lest you fall down laughing):

    The SSPX also makes the argument that they have permission because the Church is in a state of “emergency.” However, 1) the Legislator (the Pope) and the bishops with him don’t think there is a state of emergency, and 2) the sacraments offered by the SSPX are already widely available at legitimate parishes and chapels, i.e., no one is being denied the sacraments.

    Yes, he really wrote this, so let’s humor him by looking at his… ahem… insights… a bit more closely.

    1) Pope Francis the Disastrous and the likes of Cardinals Kasper, Maradiaga and Marx don’t think there’s an emergency in a Church the majority of members of which have little time for Holy Mass and support gαy marriages, abortions, and adultery.

    2) The sacraments are available in the very same parishes where the above mentioned apostates lost their faith.

    Pretty convincing stuff, eh?

    Bishop Morlino should have stuck with his “This is not the place…” declaration and left it at that. At least then his flock would have been left wondering if their bishop can be taken seriously; now they know he cannot.

    Toward the end of his grossly inadequate “word of caution,” Bishop Morlino offered the only real gem to be found in the entire thing.

    While speaking of frequent attendance at SSPX liturgies, he unwittingly provided an outstanding argument for avoiding the Novus Ordo Missae:

    But as you attend more and more, it ceases to become something you tolerate and starts to become a mark of identity, even a badge of pride. You adopt a fixed posture of separation from the Church. That is a perilous position for any soul to be in.

    Thank you, Excellency. I’ll keep this last point well in mind if ever I find myself tempted to visit one of those legitimate parishes or chapels of which you speak.
    May God bless you and keep you


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2015, 10:52:32 PM »
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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2015, 11:17:09 PM »
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  • Nice find, and your comments are good, but proper use of quotation marks would make your post a lot easier to figure out.

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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #3 on: August 07, 2015, 11:20:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lighthouse
    Nice find, and your comments are good, but proper use of quotation marks would make your post a lot easier to figure out.


    They aren't my comments.   I just copied the whole article.
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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 11:22:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lighthouse
    Nice find, and your comments are good, but proper use of quotation marks would make your post a lot easier to figure out.


    I copied this article from www.harvestingthefruit.com.
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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #5 on: August 08, 2015, 02:28:51 AM »
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  • Quote
    Nice find, and your comments are good, but proper use of quotation marks would make your post a lot easier to figure out.


    Harvesting the fruit
    Separating the fruits from the nuts by the light of tradition with Louie Verrecchio

    Actually the flaws of punctuation are in the original article wherein Louie comments on quotes from the bishop.
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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #6 on: August 11, 2015, 11:23:30 PM »
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    but for the most part their arguments are not persuasive
    Strange he would say that
    Why not say: "Their arguments are false."?

    Also, he is being ambivalent. He says
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    It would be inaccurate to call it a schismatic group in a strict sense

    yet he says
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    You [i.e., an SSPXer] adopt a fixed posture of separation from the Church.

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    Share your needs and your concerns. Leaving [the diocesan-approved parishes] is the last thing to do; leaving [i.e., joining the SSPX, which is not a "schismatic group in a strict sense"] just doesn’t make sense! Communion with the Church is something to be cherished, safeguarded, and nourished.
    So the SSPX is schismatic?

    He also says:[
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    they were ordained illicitly (i.e., by a bishop who had no jurisdiction over them
    Abp. Lefebvre didn't have jurisdiction over his own SSPX priests? Rome initially recognized the SSPX.

    I live in a diocese with a very "conservative" diocesan bishop; he sounds similar to this Madison diocesan bishop. He is pleased by the work that the FSSP does in his diocese, but he is very concerned about the SSPX, and in his 20 min. meeting with the new FSSP priest, he made it a high priority that he bring SSPXers back to the FSSP.
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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #7 on: August 11, 2015, 11:45:22 PM »
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  • Here is a different perspective on this issue;

    Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, Wisconsin, has advised the faithful to avoid involvement with the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

    In a column in his diocesan newspaper explaining the irregular standing of the traditionalist group—in which he frankly involves the concerns that lead some Catholics toward the SSPX-- the bishop makes a “plea to the traditionally minded faithful of the diocese to have nothing to do with them.”

    “Many of their concerns are legitimate,” Bishop Morlino writes. “Many of their values and aspirations are admirable, and their zeal is impressive.” He expresses sympathy for the rejection of irreverence in the liturgy and in unorthodox trends in religious education.

    However, the bishop reminds his readers that the priests of the SSPX do not have proper canonical faculties. SSPX priests are ordained validly (albeit illicitly), he writes, and can celebrate Mass. However, he points out, “the SSPX’s marriages and absolutions are invalid because their priests lack the necessary faculties.”

    Bishop Morlino writes that he understands why some people attend SSPX chapels, seeking a reverent liturgy. But he warns that “as you attend more and more, it ceases to become something you tolerate and starts to become a mark of identity, even a badge of pride. You adopt a fixed posture of separation from the Church. That is a perilous position for any soul to be in.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25779

    Bishop Morlino appears to recognize the legitimacy of the concerns of those who go to the SSPX.


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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #8 on: August 12, 2015, 08:58:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Here is a different perspective on this issue;

    Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, Wisconsin, has advised the faithful to avoid involvement with the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

    In a column in his diocesan newspaper explaining the irregular standing of the traditionalist group—in which he frankly involves the concerns that lead some Catholics toward the SSPX-- the bishop makes a “plea to the traditionally minded faithful of the diocese to have nothing to do with them.”

    “Many of their concerns are legitimate,” Bishop Morlino writes. “Many of their values and aspirations are admirable, and their zeal is impressive.” He expresses sympathy for the rejection of irreverence in the liturgy and in unorthodox trends in religious education.

    However, the bishop reminds his readers that the priests of the SSPX do not have proper canonical faculties. SSPX priests are ordained validly (albeit illicitly), he writes, and can celebrate Mass. However, he points out, “the SSPX’s marriages and absolutions are invalid because their priests lack the necessary faculties.”

    Bishop Morlino writes that he understands why some people attend SSPX chapels, seeking a reverent liturgy. But he warns that “as you attend more and more, it ceases to become something you tolerate and starts to become a mark of identity, even a badge of pride. You adopt a fixed posture of separation from the Church. That is a perilous position for any soul to be in.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25779

    Bishop Morlino appears to recognize the legitimacy of the concerns of those who go to the SSPX.


    Exactly how was this a "different perspective"?  These are the same comments that Louie Verecchio responds to in the OP.

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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #9 on: August 12, 2015, 09:01:44 AM »
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  • I happen to enjoy Louie Verecchio's comments at Harvesting the Fruit of Vatican II.  He doesn't get it completely right, but he is definitely on the right path.  I find he provides a good critical analysis for those trads still stuck in the Conciliar Church. He is a good first step towards true Tradition.

    Here is his latest re: Bishop Schneider:

    https://harvestingthefruit.com/a-pendulum-people-we-are/

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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #10 on: August 12, 2015, 11:03:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
    Quote from: poche
    Here is a different perspective on this issue;

    Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, Wisconsin, has advised the faithful to avoid involvement with the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

    In a column in his diocesan newspaper explaining the irregular standing of the traditionalist group—in which he frankly involves the concerns that lead some Catholics toward the SSPX-- the bishop makes a “plea to the traditionally minded faithful of the diocese to have nothing to do with them.”

    “Many of their concerns are legitimate,” Bishop Morlino writes. “Many of their values and aspirations are admirable, and their zeal is impressive.” He expresses sympathy for the rejection of irreverence in the liturgy and in unorthodox trends in religious education.

    However, the bishop reminds his readers that the priests of the SSPX do not have proper canonical faculties. SSPX priests are ordained validly (albeit illicitly), he writes, and can celebrate Mass. However, he points out, “the SSPX’s marriages and absolutions are invalid because their priests lack the necessary faculties.”

    Bishop Morlino writes that he understands why some people attend SSPX chapels, seeking a reverent liturgy. But he warns that “as you attend more and more, it ceases to become something you tolerate and starts to become a mark of identity, even a badge of pride. You adopt a fixed posture of separation from the Church. That is a perilous position for any soul to be in.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=25779

    Bishop Morlino appears to recognize the legitimacy of the concerns of those who go to the SSPX.


    Exactly how was this a "different perspective"?  These are the same comments that Louie Verecchio responds to in the OP.



    When Bishop Morline says, "Many of their concerns are legitimate,” Bishop Morlino writes. “Many of their values and aspirations are admirable, and their zeal is impressive.” He expresses sympathy for the rejection of irreverence in the liturgy and in unorthodox trends in religious education."  



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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #11 on: August 21, 2015, 03:37:16 PM »
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  • I read Bishop Morlino's bio and he has spent much time at university and sitting in a classroom and taking notes and writting term papers, all well and good.  

    Has he ever been a parish priest?

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    Bishop Morlino "Have nothing to do with SSPX"
    « Reply #12 on: September 13, 2015, 10:20:33 PM »
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  • Bishop Morlino Apologized To SSPX Regarding Letter to His Faithful: