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Bishop Lynch Shares "Awful" Memories of Traditional Mass
« on: July 26, 2012, 08:00:05 AM »
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  • http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/07/you-share-lynching-of-traditional-mass.html

    You share: The lynching of the Traditional Mass

    Share your liturgical memories of the Novus Ordo



    Bishop Robert Lynch, of St. Petersburg, Florida, still thinks he owns the Traditional Mass - he has become known for time and again prohibiting it, or for making it impossible for his priests to implement Summorum Pontificuм in the largest city within his jurisdiction: Tampa, in Hillsborough County - yes, thanks to  Bp. Lynch, the Republican National Convention will take place in a Summorum-Free county, one of the largest Summorum-free counties in America (the Catholic version of Dry Counties). But he feels he is doing a huge favor by "allowing" a priest to celebrate a Sunday TLM in a chapel in his diocesan Cathedral - whose main nave is about to be "renovated"...


    He is currently on vacation, but he took no vacation from his hideous pseudo-hip blogging. From the Traditional Mass to the "Benedictine Arrangement" favored by the reform-of-the-reformers, to the firm liturgical vision proposed by Mgr. Andrew Wadsworth, nothing of worth escapes his verbal lynching:


    My personal memory of the liturgy prior to Vatican II is an awful one. I remember the daily Requiem Masses screeched by the eighth grade girls of St. Charles Borromeo parish in Peru, Indiana, mandatory prior to the start of every school day, and even with their screeching, the Mass gratefully only lasted about twenty minutes. Communion distributed to the kneeling at the altar rail was more comic than reverent (remember hearing the words “Corpus Domini. . .as the priest started at one end and then eternam” as he reached the thirtieth person kneeling?). Also strong in my memory remain Masses on Holy Days of Obligation when at the beginning of Mass, during the Offertory and at the Pater Noster, the assistant priests would come out and give communion to anyone who needed to “duck out” and get back to work (this was especially true at St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York even when the Cardinal was the celebrant). Adult choirs attempting Mozart were only slightly better in most churches than the eighth grade girls at St. Charles. My grandparents and parents taught us to distract ourselves during Mass by following their example and either praying the Rosary continuously throughout Mass or attempting to follow along using a Missal which had Latin on one side of the fold and the English translation on the other. It was mystery, for sure, but not the kind of mystery which is reverentially spoken of now for the past. Monsignor Wadsworth calls in his talk for more attention to be paid by celebrants to the General Instruction to the Roman Missal which guides the liturgical celebration. I agree but he had better be careful for the growing practice of shielding the celebrants from congregants with candles and crosses of such size as to block the vision of many at Mass is explicitly forbidden in the same GIRM.


    Since our readers are on average much younger than Bp. Lynch and the dying breed he represents (at least in the American episcopate), we would invite you to share your own personal liturgical memories of the New Mass. Those memories often explain why so many of us do our utmost to seek refuge from the Ordinary Rite of Paul VI. Please, share all your best (worst) experiences with the New Mass.


    Bishop Lynch is 71. More about him in this Renew America article by Matt Abott.

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/070330


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    Bishop Lynch Shares "Awful" Memories of Traditional Mass
    « Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 03:19:41 PM »
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    rorate knows how to communicate with neotrads, and what they consider to be of prime importance, when making analogies.


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    Bishop Lynch Shares "Awful" Memories of Traditional Mass
    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 12:44:58 PM »
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  • What is this GIRM that all the novus ordites are referring to?


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    Bishop Lynch Shares "Awful" Memories of Traditional Mass
    « Reply #3 on: July 27, 2012, 02:49:29 PM »
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    What is this GIRM that all the novus ordites are referring to?



     :laugh2:

    It's the General Instruction of the Roman Missal.

    You can find it here.

    Priests love to refer to it, because it has all the "rubrics" in it regarding how the Mass is supposed to be.

    It's like a Bible to the Protestants...

    "Oh, you can't do that.  It's not in the GIRM."
    "Oh, better check the GIRM."
    "It should be done according the GIRM."
    "The GIRM tells us that...."

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    Bishop Lynch Shares "Awful" Memories of Traditional Mass
    « Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 03:58:17 PM »
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  • CathMom,

    Good one!  :roll-laugh2:

    But you forgot that only the Neo-Cath faithful care about the GIRM.
    Fr. Lib can use the GIRM as toilet paper, but if the Neo-Cath complains to his bishop (who is supposed to enforce the GIRM), he will get ignored or the run around.

    Thus neither the bishops or the pope are really concerned with the GIRM, however the Neo-Cath bloggers and CAF treat it like Holy Writ.

    What is all the more ironic is that the GIRM allows 5 million "approved" options for the NO. Thus lib priests can already let their freak flag fly within the GIRM. BUT, if they are feeling particularly freaky, they can simply disregard the GIRM anyway.

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    Bishop Lynch Shares "Awful" Memories of Traditional Mass
    « Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 03:53:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Robert Lynch
    My personal memory of the liturgy prior to Vatican II is an awful one. I remember the daily Requiem Masses screeched by the eighth grade girls of St. Charles Borromeo parish in Peru, Indiana, mandatory prior to the start of every school day, and even with their screeching, the Mass gratefully only lasted about twenty minutes.


    If the priest thinks the girls are "screeching," he has the ability to get some vocal
    instruction at the school to alleviate the problem. Here he was getting a sign from
    God to improve the children's education for the benefit of their whole lives, and
    he uses the opportunity to grumble and mope, and tuck away a miserable
    memory he can use in the future to evoke sympathy, like a true Liberal would?

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    Communion distributed to the kneeling at the altar rail was more comic than reverent (remember hearing the words “Corpus Domini. . .as the priest started at one end and then eternam” as he reached the thirtieth person kneeling?).


    Communion on the tongue was "comic?" Is that a direct quote of St. Therese of
    Lisieux or St. Peter Julian Eymard? No? Why did this clown want to become a priest
    in the first place? He could have been Lutheran or Unitarian and be much happier.
    He ought to be grateful he lives in an age when the mainstream Church is allowing
    him to practice Protestantism while "presenting himself" as a priest! The "thirteenth
    person kneeling" is an obvious lie, meant to make a joke by exaggeration, of the
    Apostolic tradition of those words. Does he even bother to think of the dark, hot
    pedestal in hell he is preparing for himself, where he would be held up for
    eternal ridicule and torment?

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    Also strong in my memory remain Masses on Holy Days of Obligation when at the beginning of Mass, during the Offertory and at the Pater Noster, the assistant priests would come out and give communion to anyone who needed to “duck out” and get back to work (this was especially true at St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York even when the Cardinal was the celebrant).


    So that would be Communion distributed before the consecration ("during the
    Offertory"), so it must have been hosts from a prior Mass being used. Talk about
    distraction! How many in the pews would be watching the "duck-outs" instead of
    paying attention to the Mass? Apparently he's using this as an argument against
    having any Holy Days of Obligation, and it has nothing entirely to do with the
    Canonized Traditional Latin Mass. Let me guess: he's got no complaints about
    making Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur into quasi-National holidays, right? And
    he no doubt reserves the most respectful tones for his mutterings on Ramadan,
    all in the spirit of ecuмenism. (Remember, ecuмenism means becoming an
    enemy of the Faith of our Fathers, a turncoat who disdains the Faith, ridicules it,
    and dares not say a word against the longstanding enemies of the Faith.)

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    Adult choirs attempting Mozart were only slightly better in most churches than the eighth grade girls at St. Charles. My grandparents and parents taught us to distract ourselves during Mass by following their example and either praying the Rosary continuously throughout Mass or attempting to follow along using a Missal which had Latin on one side of the fold and the English translation on the other. It was mystery, for sure, but not the kind of mystery which is reverentially spoken of now for the past.


    So his own parents and grandparents taught him to distract himself at Mass? So
    it's all their fault he was misguided. Why did he become a priest, again? He
    doesn't say. Maybe it was to destroy the Church from within? Was he AA-1030?

    Why did he have such a hard time using a handmissal, when my children could do
    it when they were 7 and 8? Seems odd to me: "...attempting to follow along using
    a Missal which had Latin on one side of the fold and the English translation on the
    other." He was in all likelihood on the wrong side of the "fold." HAHAHAHA

    Further on in his blog he has the following to say:

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    I am on vacation as I write this and substituting for the pastor of a one priest, large parish who uses the opportunity of my presence to get about the only genuine vacation he can. The people in this parish sing beautifully, participate fully and reverently, receive the Eucharist with great respect and the older congregation would not like to return to what they knew as I knew when we grew up. There is always work which needs to be done to achieve a beautiful and spiritually inviting celebration of the Eucharist.


    So the people of that parish sing beautifully: maybe they had the blessing of a
    priest who arranged for vocal training in their elementary school? Aa-hem.
    And they "receive the Eucharist with great respect" -- that would be with great
    respect, IN THE HAND, of course. I'm unable to imagine how communion-in-the-
    hand can be "with great respect." I've seen thousands of examples, and not
    one of them was "respectful." And then, "There is always work to be done to
    achieve a beautiful and spiritually inviting celebration of the Eucharist." Well, I
    should think so, when you have such a pile of nonsense to work with. He must
    enjoy trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. That's why he disdains the
    Canonized Traditional Latin Mass: it's too easy to make it beautiful. He much
    prefers an impossible challenge. How big of him ...NOT!
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    Bishop Lynch Shares "Awful" Memories of Traditional Mass
    « Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 04:08:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    What is this GIRM that all the novus ordites are referring to?



    The acronym is explained in the context of the quote itself:

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    Monsignor Wadsworth calls in his talk for more attention to be paid by celebrants to the General Instruction to the Roman Missal which guides the liturgical celebration. I agree but he had better be careful for the growing practice of shielding the celebrants from congregants with candles and crosses of such size as to block the vision of many at Mass is explicitly forbidden in the same GIRM.


    Basically, the GIRM is ignored unless someone wants to justify an abuse or make
    an excuse for practicing some novelty like pagan dancers on the altar. Don't laugh.
    I've seen it.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 04:35:10 PM »
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    one of the largest Summorum-free counties in America (the Catholic version of Dry Counties)


    rorate knows how to communicate with neotrads, and what they consider to be of prime importance, when making analogies.


    What does this mean?  

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    « Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 05:36:02 PM »
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    one of the largest Summorum-free counties in America (the Catholic version of Dry Counties)


    rorate knows how to communicate with neotrads, and what they consider to be of prime importance, when making analogies.


    What does this mean?  


    It means that the typical neotrad who thinks that tradition is mainly a matter of the Latin Mass can best imagine deprivation when told that certain diocese are like "Dry Counties."