Author Topic: Bishop Fellay speaks: the contacts continue (Read 3484 times)

John Grace · « **on:** June 09, 2011, 11:35:40 AM »

It's clear there is a difference between the mission of the SSPX and the mission of Bishop Fellay. It can be concluded that atleast three of the four SSPX Bishops and majority of clerics are faithful to mission of the Archbishop.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/

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From an interview granted by the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, on June 1, 2011, as he visited Gabon:

Allow me to end [this interview], Your Excellency, with two questions. The first is related to the relations between the Fraternity and Rome. Where are you in your contacts? A subsidiary question: can we expect, on a mid- term, a normalization of these relations?

The contacts continue. We are probably reaching the end of a phase of discussions. This is not yet completely clear. What will happen? What will be the outcome of this phase? This answers the second question. What does Rome foresee for us now? One should not be mistaken: we are truly within the crisis of the Church; it has certainly not ended. What is our fate in this crisis? I believe that, at some level, the Good Lord linked us with this crisis, because we work for the restoration of the Church, but this may still last for a decade, maybe two. It is necessary to have lots of courage and perseverance. This can be resolved tomorrow, this may be be resolved the day after tomorrow. All is in the hands of the Good Lord. Let us all remain simply faithful.

My second question is related to your feeling following the beatification of Pope John Paul II.

A very mixed feeling. The impression [that is given is that] of an incredible precipitation, that disregards all rules that the Church herself expressed before proceeding to these kinds of acts. The impression of imprudence. One example: when one wishes to beatify or to canonize, what was said and written by the candidate that is called "venerable" is very closely examined. Well, here, the greatest part of what was written by him is located within the secret archives of the Vatican, that have not yet been opened. We remain, therefore, uneasy. We fear seeing there a desire to cement a cause that John Paul II put in place, that he wished to continue throughout his Pontificate, of which he wished to be the apostle.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2011, 11:58:50 AM »

I am really starting to think that I don't want my daughter confirmed by Fellay next week....

Caminus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2011, 12:07:25 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

It's clear there is a difference between the mission of the SSPX and the mission of Bishop Fellay. It can be concluded that atleast three of the four SSPX Bishops and majority of clerics are faithful to mission of the Archbishop.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
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From an interview granted by the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, on June 1, 2011, as he visited Gabon:

Allow me to end [this interview], Your Excellency, with two questions. The first is related to the relations between the Fraternity and Rome. Where are you in your contacts? A subsidiary question: can we expect, on a mid- term, a normalization of these relations?

The contacts continue. We are probably reaching the end of a phase of discussions. This is not yet completely clear. What will happen? What will be the outcome of this phase? This answers the second question. What does Rome foresee for us now? One should not be mistaken: we are truly within the crisis of the Church; it has certainly not ended. What is our fate in this crisis? I believe that, at some level, the Good Lord linked us with this crisis, because we work for the restoration of the Church, but this may still last for a decade, maybe two. It is necessary to have lots of courage and perseverance. This can be resolved tomorrow, this may be be resolved the day after tomorrow. All is in the hands of the Good Lord. Let us all remain simply faithful.

My second question is related to your feeling following the beatification of Pope John Paul II.

A very mixed feeling. The impression [that is given is that] of an incredible precipitation, that disregards all rules that the Church herself expressed before proceeding to these kinds of acts. The impression of imprudence. One example: when one wishes to beatify or to canonize, what was said and written by the candidate that is called "venerable" is very closely examined. Well, here, the greatest part of what was written by him is located within the secret archives of the Vatican, that have not yet been opened. We remain, therefore, uneasy. We fear seeing there a desire to cement a cause that John Paul II put in place, that he wished to continue throughout his Pontificate, of which he wished to be the apostle.

Please explain what precisely you mean by your assertion and how it is drawn from the words above. In other words, what is wrong with the cited text and how do you infer a "separate" mission of Bishop Fellay? If you think it is found within maintaining contacts with Rome, I would simply remind you that the great Archbishop himself always maintained contacts with Rome and even held discussions with Popes about these matters. What is there to fear from stating the traditionalist case before Roman authorities? Nothing at all. So, what's your problem?

LordPhan · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2011, 12:14:42 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

It's clear there is a difference between the mission of the SSPX and the mission of Bishop Fellay. It can be concluded that atleast three of the four SSPX Bishops and majority of clerics are faithful to mission of the Archbishop.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
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From an interview granted by the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, on June 1, 2011, as he visited Gabon:

Allow me to end [this interview], Your Excellency, with two questions. The first is related to the relations between the Fraternity and Rome. Where are you in your contacts? A subsidiary question: can we expect, on a mid- term, a normalization of these relations?

The contacts continue. We are probably reaching the end of a phase of discussions. This is not yet completely clear. What will happen? What will be the outcome of this phase? This answers the second question. What does Rome foresee for us now? One should not be mistaken: we are truly within the crisis of the Church; it has certainly not ended. What is our fate in this crisis? I believe that, at some level, the Good Lord linked us with this crisis, because we work for the restoration of the Church, but this may still last for a decade, maybe two. It is necessary to have lots of courage and perseverance. This can be resolved tomorrow, this may be be resolved the day after tomorrow. All is in the hands of the Good Lord. Let us all remain simply faithful.

My second question is related to your feeling following the beatification of Pope John Paul II.

A very mixed feeling. The impression [that is given is that] of an incredible precipitation, that disregards all rules that the Church herself expressed before proceeding to these kinds of acts. The impression of imprudence. One example: when one wishes to beatify or to canonize, what was said and written by the candidate that is called "venerable" is very closely examined. Well, here, the greatest part of what was written by him is located within the secret archives of the Vatican, that have not yet been opened. We remain, therefore, uneasy. We fear seeing there a desire to cement a cause that John Paul II put in place, that he wished to continue throughout his Pontificate, of which he wished to be the apostle.

There is nothing you posted in that interview that is wrong or contrary to the mission of the SSPX. It is obvious you are reading into his words using your own foregone conclusions and thereby creating scandal where there is none.

This is contrary to the laws of Trent. You cannot just randomly attack a legitamate Bishop. If you did have some evidence of heresy against Bishop Fellay(which you do not) then it would be your duty to bring it to the other Bishops of the SSPX. It would NOT be your duty to attack him in a public forum.

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2011, 01:30:50 PM »

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Quote from: John Grace
It's clear there is a difference between the mission of the SSPX and the mission of Bishop Fellay. It can be concluded that atleast three of the four SSPX Bishops and majority of clerics are faithful to mission of the Archbishop.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
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From an interview granted by the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, on June 1, 2011, as he visited Gabon:

Allow me to end [this interview], Your Excellency, with two questions. The first is related to the relations between the Fraternity and Rome. Where are you in your contacts? A subsidiary question: can we expect, on a mid- term, a normalization of these relations?

The contacts continue. We are probably reaching the end of a phase of discussions. This is not yet completely clear. What will happen? What will be the outcome of this phase? This answers the second question. What does Rome foresee for us now? One should not be mistaken: we are truly within the crisis of the Church; it has certainly not ended. What is our fate in this crisis? I believe that, at some level, the Good Lord linked us with this crisis, because we work for the restoration of the Church, but this may still last for a decade, maybe two. It is necessary to have lots of courage and perseverance. This can be resolved tomorrow, this may be be resolved the day after tomorrow. All is in the hands of the Good Lord. Let us all remain simply faithful.

My second question is related to your feeling following the beatification of Pope John Paul II.

A very mixed feeling. The impression [that is given is that] of an incredible precipitation, that disregards all rules that the Church herself expressed before proceeding to these kinds of acts. The impression of imprudence. One example: when one wishes to beatify or to canonize, what was said and written by the candidate that is called "venerable" is very closely examined. Well, here, the greatest part of what was written by him is located within the secret archives of the Vatican, that have not yet been opened. We remain, therefore, uneasy. We fear seeing there a desire to cement a cause that John Paul II put in place, that he wished to continue throughout his Pontificate, of which he wished to be the apostle.

There is nothing you posted in that interview that is wrong or contrary to the mission of the SSPX. It is obvious you are reading into his words using your own foregone conclusions and thereby creating scandal where there is none.

This is contrary to the laws of Trent. You cannot just randomly attack a legitamate Bishop. If you did have some evidence of heresy against Bishop Fellay(which you do not) then it would be your duty to bring it to the other Bishops of the SSPX. It would NOT be your duty to attack him in a public forum.

It is you who mention the word heresy.Can you cite where I mentioned heresy? I haven't attacked Bishop Fellay.Is he or the Society for that matter beyond criticism? Can one not offer an opinion?

John Grace · « **Reply #5 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:07:44 PM »

Bishop Williamson was correct to call the discussions the "dialogue of the deaf.” :applause:

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:16:45 PM »

Nothing in there from Bishop Fellay contradicts the mission of Archbishop LeFebvre. I admit that Fellay's stance is different from LeFebvre's and Bishop Williamson's on some subjects, but I think this is just another cheap shot at the SSPX.

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:24:39 PM »

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but I think this is just another cheap shot at the SSPX.

You must realise the SSPX is not beyond criticism.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #8 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:26:15 PM »

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My second question is related to your feeling following the beatification of Pope John Paul II.
A very mixed feeling.

Why does +F have a very mixed feeling? He must agree on one level that the beatification was good. " Mixed feeling" conveys very little to me.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #9 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:32:07 PM »

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My second question is related to your feeling following the beatification of Pope John Paul II.
A very mixed feeling.

Why does +F have a very mixed feeling? He must agree on one level that the beatification was good. " Mixed feeling" conveys very little to me.

I wouldn't limply describe my feelings as "mixed" on this matter. OUTRAGED would be more like it!

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #10 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:35:14 PM »

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but I think this is just another cheap shot at the SSPX.

You must realise the SSPX is not beyond criticism.

I never said the SSPX was beyond criticism. In case you haven't noticed, I often criticize Bishop Fellay, particularly because of what he did to +Williamson. My point was that just because you don't agree with everything they say and do doesn't mean you should cut them down left and right. Afterall, next to the FSSP they are responsible for most of the TLMs that are around today. And if not for Archbishop LeFebvre, the FSSP wouldn't even exist.

Caminus · « **Reply #11 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:37:14 PM »

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but I think this is just another cheap shot at the SSPX.

You must realise the SSPX is not beyond criticism.

And what precisely is your criticism as it pertains to your quoted text? Or is it that you have a chip on your shoulder and you sift every word of Bishop Fellay in order to discover some malignant meaning? You've got a serious problem, pal, and I say this fully recognizing the fact that he has seriously mishandled the case of Bishop Williamson. If you are looking for perfection, you'll have to leave this world. If you are looking to seize upon a mistake, then that's your own spritual problem. And I defy you to find one SSPX priest who asserts that the SSPX is "above criticism" in terms of its individual member priests.

John Grace · « **Reply #12 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:47:28 PM »

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Or is it that you have a chip on your shoulder and you sift every word of Bishop Fellay in order to discover some malignant meaning? You've got a serious problem, pal

Are you going to continue with this type of written conversation?

Baskerville · « **Reply #13 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:50:24 PM »

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My second question is related to your feeling following the beatification of Pope John Paul II.
A very mixed feeling.

Why does +F have a very mixed feeling? He must agree on one level that the beatification was good. " Mixed feeling" conveys very little to me.

I wouldn't limply describe my feelings as "mixed" on this matter. OUTRAGED would be more like it!

:applause:

Caminus · « **Reply #14 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:56:05 PM »

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Or is it that you have a chip on your shoulder and you sift every word of Bishop Fellay in order to discover some malignant meaning? You've got a serious problem, pal

Are you going to continue with this type of written conversation?

Are you going to continue with your campaign only to revert to silence when questioned?