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Bishop Fellay at Econe: Things are at a standstill, we cannot sign.
« on: June 30, 2012, 09:30:59 PM »
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    Bishop Fellay at Econe: Things are at a standstill, we cannot sign.
    « Reply #1 on: July 01, 2012, 01:38:11 PM »
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    Sermon in French, perhaps someone can translate.


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    Translated extracts of Bishop Fellay's sermon
    hear entire sermon in French at DICI >

    And when we celebrate this Feast of St. Peter and St. Paul, we cannot not think of Rome. And we cannot forget this love that our founder had for Rome, and that he wished and that he wanted to inculcate in his children. We are Roman! And this we cannot put behind us! Even if we live in difficult times, even if we have to suffer from the Rome of today, this cannot at all weaken this true, effective and affectionate love for Rome, because it was the good God the one who chose this City to be the head of the Church. This does not mean that we will love the errors, certainly not, we suffer them. But one cannot let oneself, we can say, be put off by what is happening, at the point of giving up. No, it is necessary to maintain, which is what we try to do.

     

    Certainly, you ask of me, "What is happening with Rome?" If up to now we have said almost nothing, it is because we do not have much to tell you. Up to now, things are at a stage, we can say, of a full stop. In the sense that there have been tos and fros, there have been exchanges, effectively, dealings, proposals, but we are at the point of departure. The point of departure in which we had said not being able to accept, not being able to sign. We are there, that is all. We see, on one hand, this situation getting complicated, it has been two, three years I have said before, in Rome, before the contradiction.

    Since 2009, I have said it, and I repeat it, and well that takes place every day. It is the state of the Church, what do you want? There are those who try, who wish to move further, we can say, on Progressivism and on the consequences of Progressivism. There are others who wish corrections to take place. And we, in the middle, we have become as a ping-pong ball, that everyone hits.

    We know that in the end, in the end, the Church will find herself again, and to us belongs this yearning of not being satisfied with a certain, let us say, comfort. With a situation that is simply not normal. We cannot become in the end used [to it], because we are in a situation in which we do whatever we want, to consider the state in which we find ourselves as normal. This isn't true. Simply not true. It is normal that we seek, with respect for all conditions that are necessary, evidently, to recover this title, that is ours, to which we have a right, of Catholics. This doesn't mean that we must place ourselves simply in the hands of the Modernists, this has nothing to do with it.

    But it is a difficult situation, difficult, everything seems electric, we see clearly that the devil runs unchained on all sides. And therefore, this is the time for prayer. It is a difficult moment. For us, about us, all sorts of things are said. Dear God, the only thing we wish for is to make God's will, that is all. The will of God is expressed in facts.... It is also clear that we cannot bring good to all the Church than by remaining faithful to this heritage of the Archbishop. From which come these famous, I don't know, "conditions", "assurances", that we have presented several times, that must ensure that the Society will remain what it is. If, at a certain time, a collaboration is conceivable, when, how, well the circuмstances will show it.


    http://www.sspx.org/news/econe_ordinations_2012/econe_ordinations_2012.htm#sermon

    So, now that Bishop Fellay has pretty much rejected the deal, what do you people do who were totally bashing him?  Do you stay with the SSPX and have him as your Bishop?  Or do you go find another group?  Or should you just have listened and prayed like you were told to and waited for an official response and not rumours put forth by "anomynous" sources on the internet?
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    Bishop Fellay at Econe: Things are at a standstill, we cannot sign.
    « Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 01:44:45 PM »
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    • SSPX rejects Vatican's latest offer
    Published: June 26, 2012

    A breakaway traditionalist Catholic group on Monday slammed as "clearly unacceptable" a Vatican doctrinal docuмent that was supposed to lay the foundation for the group's reconciliation with Rome.
    The move comes after three years of complex negotiations between the Vatican and the Society of St. Pius X and was revealed just as Pope Benedict XVI appointed a high-profile American archbishop to a key post to oversee relations with traditionalists.
    A letter by Fr. Christian Thouvenot, secretary general of the SSPX, to SSPX bishops and regional leaders was leaked on the Internet on Tuesday. Thouvenot later confirmed its authenticity.
    The letter says the SSPX superior general, Bishop Bernard Fellay, told the head of the Vatican doctrinal office, American Cardinal William J. Levada, that "he couldn't sign" the Vatican's doctrinal offer during a meeting June 13.
    Benedict has actively sought reconciliation with the group since his election to the papacy in 2005. In 2009, he lifted the excommunication of the four SSPX bishops and started doctrinal talks in the hope of healing a decades-old rift within the Catholic church.
    The negotiations led to a Vatican proposal that was delivered to Fellay in September. The "Doctrinal Preamble" was aimed at overcoming the doctrinal differences between the Vatican and the group, which rejects the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), including church acceptance of ecuмenism and religious freedom, and its rejection of anti-Semitism.
    In his letter, Thouvenot writes that Fellay proposed his own version of the Preamble last April which, "according to several agreeing sources," seemed to "satisfy the Supreme Pontiff." But he added that cardinals in Levada's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith "amended" the text and it "now reintroduces, substantially, the propositions of September 2011."
    During his June 13 meeting with Levada, Fellay "immediately informed him that he could not sign this new docuмent," which he deemed "clearly unacceptable." The SSPX will hold its general assembly in early July to discuss the issue.
    Thouvenot also writes that Richard Williamson, the SSPX bishop who embarrassed the Vatican after he came out as a vocal denier of the h0Ɩ0cαųst, will not be allowed to participate to the assembly on account of his "rebellion" and "disobedience."
    In recent weeks, there have been signs of a growing split within the SSPX, and the group's other three bishops wrote to Fellay that they were opposed to an agreement with Rome.

    The Vatican would not comment on Thouvenot's letter. Even so, Benedict signaled the importance he devotes to reconciliation with the SSPX by appointing American Archbishop Augustine Di Noia to the newly created position of vice president of the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei," which is tasked with overseeing relations with traditionalist groups.
    Di Noia, a native New Yorker, will work directly with Levada, and has worked with Benedict before and after his 2005 election, most recently as the No. 2 official in the Vatican's liturgy office.
    A statement by the Vatican doctrinal office stresses that the "broad respect" that Di Noia enjoys in the Jєωιѕн community should help alleviate Jєωιѕн fears that the SSPX would not have to accept the Vatican II docuмent that rejected anti-Semitism as part of a reunion with Rome.

    http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/traditionalist-sspx-calls-vatican-offer-clearly-unacceptable


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