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Offline Exilenomore

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Women priest??? Coming to a town near you?
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2011, 07:12:37 AM »
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    ... mark of visibility ...


    I made a mistake here. Visibility is not an actual mark of the Church. Forgive me.

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    « Reply #31 on: July 07, 2011, 08:42:47 AM »
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    I made a mistake here. Visibility is not an actual mark of the Church. Forgive me.


    Your error was only technical.  While "visibility" is not one of the Four Marks of the Church, visibility is associated with one of them, unity, i.e., the "one" of "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic".  The Church is a visible society on earth because it is made up of human beings.  

    The only difficulty here is when one associates the manifest heretic with that society.  This would be like considering the prisoners in the prison and the townspeople of the town where the prison is located as being members of one society.  Although both societies occasionally mix (the guards and other workers enter the prisons, sometimes prisoners escape) and it can be difficult to tell one from another (prisoners want to reform but remain in prison, some of the townsfolk should be in prison, but they have eluded detection and continue to exercise authority in the town as well as the gangsters who are well known for what they are but no will remove them from the town) and some members of one society claims to belong in the other (the prisoner who claims, "I was framed!"), they are still two entirely different societies.  

    In the same way the Church is a visible society in the world.  The collection of Catholics make up that one, visible society.  It is true that there are many in that society that are less than stellar.  There are many who exercise authority but whose treachery has not yet been detected.  And there are those who have openly declared war with the Church by proclaiming and defending heresies which put them out of the society of the Church even if most people are afraid of their prior positions in the Chruch and refuse to recognize the fact of his departure for fear of what others will think or the sanctions others will place upon them.  Those conciliar officials who have removed themselves from Catholic society but continue to reign are akin to the gangsters in our example above.

    I realize this is an imperfect analogy, but it can suffice for illustrative purposes.

    You really were not far off.


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    « Reply #32 on: July 07, 2011, 09:39:31 AM »
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  • Thank you. I just thought I would correct it in order to avoid confusion.

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    « Reply #33 on: July 07, 2011, 10:34:19 AM »
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    And regarding this notion that the Church can be reduced to a small flock, no one disputes this.  But this same flock will retain all the essential characteristics of the true Church of Jesus Christ, something which all the traditionalist Bishops, Priests and laymen combined simply do not yet possess.

    I disagree. Since my explanation doesn't really seem to fit in this thread, I think I will start my own thread for it.

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    Women priest??? Coming to a town near you?
    « Reply #34 on: July 09, 2011, 07:27:49 AM »
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  • UPDATE

    It appears that I was wrong when I said that the Cardinal will not be made to retract his remarks in which he claimed that there was no theological impediment to the ordination of women...sort of.

    The cardinal has indeed "clarified" his position because,"The reactions to this interview have forced me to consider the issue more carefully, and I found that, especially for not having taken into due consideration the latest declarations of the Magisterium on this subject, I gave rise to these reactions”.  

    The report of his clarification can be found at:  http://tinyurl.com/6kaoq4n

    I note that the cardinal did not deny his prior assertion that the ordination of women is theologically possible only that his statement is incompatible with current papal declarations and, since communion with the pope is paramount, he had to rethink his support for women's ordination.

    Clearly, this trial baloon was not favorably received which is an indication that women's ordination in the conciliar church is still a long way off.  On the other hand, the cardinal's "retraction" was made in such a way that, should a future pope find room to ordain women, he could support the decision.

    I so detest these clarifications that are much more confusing than the issue they are meant to clarify.


     

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