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Re: Bishop Daniel Dolan
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2021, 04:53:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bocca della Verit on October 03, 2021, 04:46:37 PM
    You are wrong. The point is proved. The intellect, not your wounded ego, assesses proof. And la Bocca did not post "pictures" (what are you smoking, Ladislaus?). La Bocca posted ineluctable arguments, founded on authoritative Catholic sources. Where are yours to support your misguided contention? And La Bocca never asserted Pius spoke of a defect. The defect lies in Lefebvre's violating Pius's precept. Stay silent, lest you shame yourself beyond redemption. And get remedial reading help.
    Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?
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    Re: Bishop Daniel Dolan
    « Reply #31 on: October 03, 2021, 05:20:13 PM »
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    Defects in either the form or in following the directions of the rubrics do not automatically invalidate.
    This is the point that must be read 1000x.  Thank you, Ladislaus.
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    Re: Bishop Daniel Dolan
    « Reply #32 on: October 03, 2021, 06:16:28 PM »
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    The issue under discussion was about the matter of the sacrament, not the form. (For that see the thread THE THIRD MAN.)  However, note that substantial defects in the form do invalidate. Repeat that 1000x!
    The form of the sacrament are the words used by the consecrating bishop.  The matter being the "human element" of laying on the hand(s).

    So when you say, "substantial defects in the form do invalidate" then you're talking about the "sacramental words", which has nothing to do with your argument of 1 hand vs 2 hands.

    Your post makes no sense.
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    Re: Bishop Daniel Dolan
    « Reply #33 on: October 03, 2021, 06:30:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bocca della Verit on October 03, 2021, 05:08:14 PM
    Simple. This is la Bocca della Verità.
    You are a talking marble slab?  You are a schizophrenic 
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    Re: Bishop Daniel Dolan
    « Reply #34 on: October 03, 2021, 06:36:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bocca della Verit on October 03, 2021, 04:46:37 PM
    You are wrong. The point is proved. 

    Nothing whatsoever was proven in your rambling incoherent post.
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    Re: Bishop Daniel Dolan
    « Reply #35 on: October 03, 2021, 06:39:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bocca della Verit on October 03, 2021, 05:59:27 PM
    The issue under discussion was about the matter of the sacrament, not the form. (For that see the thread THE THIRD MAN.)  However, note that substantial defects in the form do invalidate. Repeat that 1000x!

    Argument is the same, but evidently you were unable to follow the logic.  Pope Pius XII designated both the form and the matter in the then-current Pontificale.  This did not preclude non-invalidating defects ... or either form or matter.

    Similarly, to use leavened bread in the Roman Rite would be illicit without a serious reason (emergency, or when that's all that could be obtained), and it would be considered a defect, but it would not invalidate the Mass, as leavened bread is valid matter.

    You fail to demonstrate that the use of one hand is an invalidating defect.  Given that the Eastern Rites use one hand for priestly ordination, it's clearly not an invalidating defect.

    Nobody wants to read that tripe which called THE THIRD MAN.
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    Re: Bishop Daniel Dolan
    « Reply #36 on: October 03, 2021, 07:20:05 PM »
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    • You are equating 'defect' with 'doubtful'.  :facepalm:
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    Re: Bishop Daniel Dolan
    « Reply #37 on: October 03, 2021, 09:06:56 PM »
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    • Mask Dude or .png Response Dude? Maybe we need a Kelleyite Ghetto with dudes like this coming out of the woodwork?
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    « Reply #38 on: October 04, 2021, 03:32:15 PM »
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    • Thank you everyone for your responses. I have emailed Bishop Dolan and he is going to call me this week! 
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