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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bishop Athanasius' Comments About Sedevacantists.
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2022, 09:58:52 AM »
I didn't watch the video...is new-rome actually interested in having talks with all the SV communities?

Not particularly.  It was just Bishop Schneider who suggested that they might.  Of course, the SVs would not be interested in speaking with Bergoglio.  Bishop Schneider may have been hinting that Rome should unilaterally grant them the same types of faculties that they extended to the SSPX.

Re: Bishop Athanasius' Comments About Sedevacantists.
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2022, 10:08:27 AM »
Bishop Schneider may have been hinting that Rome should unilaterally grant them the same types of faculties that they extended to the SSPX.
Which shows that he really does not understand the SV position


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Bishop Athanasius' Comments About Sedevacantists.
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2022, 02:27:03 PM »
So Bishop Schneider would disagree with XavierNishantSem and the dogmatic R&R that the SVs are heretics.  There's no heresy there.  At best you can argue that they're wrong in their conclusions and misapply some principles of Catholic theology.
As the NO and sedes share the belief that popes are incapable of doing what the conciliar popes have done, consider that the bishop has been NO for his whole life, only recently becoming a "conservative" NO. His NO bent is why he would disagree with R&R. 

Re: Bishop Athanasius' Comments About Sedevacantists.
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2022, 03:17:20 PM »
Interesting. I'm heartened to see +Schneider recognizing the SV's as, for the most part, orthodox. Yet, he's naive if he thinks they're going to respond to talks from Rome when many of them have issue with the potentially-invalid Holy Orders that most of the hierarchy, including +Schneider, would have. Recall the split that occurred within even R&R once +Fellay started negotiating with Modernist Rome.

Now, if you're sedeprivationist/impoundist, then a reality of reconciliation under an orthodox Pope would be possible, and even +Sanborn said he would submit if that were the case and V2 were tossed out. But, I doubt many of the hardliner SVists would move toward Rome even if we had an orthodox Pope because of the Holy Orders issue. This includes those in the mindset of the quoted Fr. Cekada.
I disagree with the bolded.  I think that would be a secondary issue for most sedes.  If the doctrinal issues were fixed, then Holy Orders could be addressed.

He's naive to think sedevacantists would respond to "talks" with Rome because sedevacantists don't trust "Rome" as far as they can throw them.  Schneider must think SV's are willing to compromise like SSPXers or indulterers.  But is he naive?

Re: Bishop Athanasius' Comments About Sedevacantists.
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2022, 03:35:27 PM »
The notion that Bergoglio is not the legitimate "Pope" or not a legitimate "Pope" gained ground with me a long time ago.

https://www.fromrome.info/2020/02/05/vatican-intelligence-officer-i-am-a-freemason-and-so-is-bergoglio/

Tata continues recounting that on the phone call, “Bergoglio’s Vatican Chief of Intelligence told Yussuf that he [the Chief] was a mason and so was Bergoglio.” Tata says, “This was on ‘La Nación’. You could have listened to it yourselves. I listened to it because I had to give it credit.

https://www.facebook.com/888396911221449/posts/pope-francis-is-a-freemasonthe-head-vatican-intelligence-officer-in-argentina-af/2848198045241316/

https://www.sanctamissa.pl/en/vaticanum-ii-antichurch/antipope-jorge-mario-bergoglio-aka-francis/antipope-francis-is-a-freemason/

Apparently "Pope" Francis on occasion throws a  little "signum marrano" too.