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Offline DigitalLogos

NOW on the Cassciacuм Thesis
« on: March 14, 2022, 05:34:50 PM »
NovusOrdoWatch posted today about the Material-Formal Thesis aka Cassiciacuм Thesis. It's worth a read. It's a bit lengthy, so I'm not going to post the full article.

I personally hold to it as the more likely answer to the Pope issue in this Crisis. But, given the strong feelings here about sede vs. R&R, I hope it will at least foster some charitable discussion.

Wishful thinking, I know... :cowboy:

https://novusordowatch.org/2022/03/apostolic-succession-after-pius12-catholic-hierarchy/
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: NOW on the Cassciacuм Thesis
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2022, 06:16:02 PM »
I agree that sedeprivationism makes the most sense, and it addresses many of the objections from both sides of the R&R vs. SV divide, so much so that the R&R Father Chazal independently formulated a thesis that was incredibly similar to sedeprivationism (although he denies it).  I had hoped that Father Chazal's position might help heal the rift among Traditional Catholics, but both sides are extremely stubborn.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: NOW on the Cassciacuм Thesis
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2022, 06:20:33 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 14, 2022, 06:16:02 PM
I agree that sedeprivationism makes the most sense, and it addresses many of the objections from both sides of the R&R vs. SV divide, so much so that the R&R Father Chazal independently formulated a thesis that was incredibly similar to sedeprivationism (although he denies it).  I had hoped that Father Chazal's position might help heal the rift among Traditional Catholics, but both sides are extremely stubborn.
I look at sedeprivationism and sedeimpoundism as the two-sides of the same Theological thesis. One side starts from the presupposition that the See is filled and then tries to reconcile how such a heretic could be the apparent Pope. While the other starts from the presupposition that the See is vacant and tries to reconcile how there could be an apparent Pope at all.
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